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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 20, 2010 #6301 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Per my earlier post onsale.com has the Fantom 1TB eSATA drive on sale for $49.99 AR...

    http://bit.ly/9RF2dd

    NOTE: This will only work as an expansion drive via plug and play with the original TiVo Series3. Otherwise it must be "married" to a TiVo HD or HDXL using winMFS or MFStools. See the FAQ for more info.
     
  2. Aug 20, 2010 #6302 of 10248
    VSG

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    Finally starting to fill up the 2tb drive...181 shows in recently deleted, and going down...no problems what so ever. 1 small issue, that I couldn't find any real good stuff on in the search is pixelation ONLY in the blue screens, i.e. account status etc...but of course that's there with all my hard drives so I'm thinking the power strips that is shared with the tuning adapter. I might just relocate the 2 and give them separate plugs in the APC UPS.
     
  3. Aug 20, 2010 #6303 of 10248
    VSG

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    I also wanted to do some more precise testing of hard drive temps, but since I'm in Phoenix Arizona, it might strike others as odd that it's 48c inside the tivo....

    I simply switched around the sata plugs and put the nice 2tb green drive in a fan driven enclosure. Let the testing begin.
     
  4. Aug 20, 2010 #6304 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I don't know if that will cure the menu pixelization (I'm really curious to know if it does), but having TiVo on a UPS is very wise move IMHO. :up: Or maybe I misunderstood and you already do. Either way...UPS goooood. ;)
     
  5. Aug 20, 2010 #6305 of 10248
    VSG

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    Hi Rich,

    I think I paid around $700 for my series 3 with lifetime....I don't recall the #....but they let me "transfer" the ser 2 lifetime....for $200? Geez, the exact #'s really are slipping me by...either way, I knew I had something special. I spent $65 on a quality APC UPS and had the org hard drive and a Seagate external FAP for years w/o problems. Then I got into the whole upgrading business; something that would consume entire nights, whether good or bad. I don't WANT to always, but I do like having 85 season passes, and always something to watch. I hope TIVO gets a deal with every cable company out there, b/c there really IS no substitute that I know of. It baffles me in this great country of avid TV fans, that more people don't have them.

    TIP: always plug your TIVO directly into the socket, or, if you really care, into a UPS.
     
  6. Aug 20, 2010 #6306 of 10248
    VSG

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    I got a weird error....that only cleared when I did a C&DE....

    I had sent a bunch of SP's via the internet..

    TIP: subscribe to either kidzone and/or guru guides to re-populate your SP's....

    It is not a supported feature, but have worked great for me in trying out several different improvements where I started from scratch.:up:
     
  7. Aug 20, 2010 #6307 of 10248
    vectorcatch

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    What procedure did you use to get the 2TB working? Did you use WinMFS or InstantCake? Thank you.
     
  8. Aug 20, 2010 #6308 of 10248
    VSG

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    WINmfs but I think I used a restore of an already upgraded drive...I tried so many different things b/c I really wanted to KEEP my 1.35tb of recordings...alas it's painfully slow to copy that much data...

    But I now a 2tb THD up and working with a single multi card, and all my sp's, so let the chips fall where they may.
     
  9. Aug 20, 2010 #6309 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    Given the S3 was not introduced until September, 2006 - just a bit less than 4 years ago - that would seem highly unlikely. I upgraded dthe drive in my original S3 a few months ago, but my second S3 still has its original 1T drive in it, and it has been running continuously - almost - for more than 3 years.
     
  10. Aug 20, 2010 #6310 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    Oh, nonsense. I have a number of machines running 24 x 7 that have hard drives more than 20 years old in them. A drive needs to be replaced when it fails, or if it shows clear signs of imminent failure. Any data that is at all important needs to be backed up, because sooner or later the drive (or array) on which it resides will fail. (Well, that and because people make mistakes.) There simply is no way to predict when a drive will fail, and a 3 year old drive is no more likely to fail tomorrow than a 3 week old drive.

    'Could be. If someone were holding one of my TiVo drives over his head, threatening to smash it if I didn't pay him $50, I don't think I would cough up the cash. OTOH, I would be happy to pay $50 for an imaged TiVo drive if I had one fail.

    That's just silly. One is as likely as not to replace the good hard drive with several years' of life left with one which will fail within a month.
     
  11. Aug 21, 2010 #6311 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    +1 Thank you! IF a hard drive starts to get soft errors, then the OS should have a routine to de-allocate that Sector before it becomes a hard error. Very easy to do. Sometimes we never do see soft errors and a sector, or track, can be damaged without warning. At that point, the routine will just map out the track. Sometimes it is not the media at all and is the drive electronics or head. At that point a new drive is needed...unless there are important data files on that drive...NOT TV Shows! However, as you said, a drive can fail in a week or 10 years. Than is what the M is in MTBF. Kind of like the Mathematician who drowned trying to walk across a lake with an average depth of 2 feet! :D
     
  12. Aug 21, 2010 #6312 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Same story here. It is indeed amazing that after 10 years of TiVo and in this day and age of giant screen, flat panel TV's that a vast majority of people still have no idea what a DVR is much less the difference between a cableco box and TiVo. When I talk about TiVo people often tell me that there's far more to life than TV so they wouldn't have one. No kidding. That's precisely why we have TiVo's; so we can watch what we want to watch when we have time and not waste our time on commercials and TV shows that probably should have never seen the light of day (or night). We have better things to do. ;)

    What's really shocking is when I do mention a great TV show to someone and they ask me what day it's on, what time, what channel. I do a great deer in the headlights. I know I had to figure it out when I first set a season pass, but after that I really have no idea. I know I can watch it when I get around to it is all. I must be the network's and advertiser's worst nightmare.

    Other folks ask if I saw something or other the other night...something that doesn't sound very good. "Why were you watching that?" I ask. "Oh, I was waiting for my favorite show to come on." Really? Is it still 1962 I think? I just shake my head.

    When I travel I usually keep some TV shows or movies on my iPad to watch (waiting for the Slingbox iPad App) but now and then I sample the local TV fare, bad commercials and all. OMG...how do people put up with it?

    Anyway, back OT, yes a UPS can make a real difference in the longevity of a TiVo. My original Series3 is still going strong as well. Heck, I can still fire up the old S2 and even the S1 just for fun. :)
     
  13. Aug 21, 2010 #6313 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I thought the same thing at first but then got the impression the OP repurposed a drive he already had. :confused:
     
  14. Aug 21, 2010 #6314 of 10248
    VSG

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    That what it comes down to for most people. Reliability first, then $$..

    If you took a Kill A Watt and measured how much it really used...and figured it out PER year it can add up.

    I recently recycled an older IDE drive to my computer as the OS drive temporarely, but it's too slow...I want a WD black series....for the os and programs, green for data....
     
  15. Aug 21, 2010 #6315 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    Oh, amen!!

    :up::up:

    Who cares on what "channel" it airs, or when? It's on whenever I want it on, and not one second sooner or later. It's always on the Now Playing channel, and no other.

    No, that would be me. You see, we have precisely the same attitude, but I'm a lot bigger and meaner than you. :D

    Or almost any device, less rugged than an electric oven. Compared to many foreign countries, the local U.S. power systems are far, far cleaner and more reliable, but even so there are times when the power levels will sag or spike. Both can be highly detrimental to electronic devices. The former will usually result in higher current in the power supply as it attempts to keep the power delivered to the active systems constant. The latter stresses insulation and dielectrics in the supply. When either becomes severe enough, the anomaly actually impacts the active systems as well, there being a limit to how well a power supply can ignore rising or falling input voltages. Inexpensive consumer devices - like the TiVo - usually use inexpensive power supplies, as well, which are much less well equipped to deal with highly variable power levels than industrial systems. Of course, TiVo could easily (nearly) eliminate the issue by building a $75 UPS right into the unit and charging $75 more for the TiVo, which is now also bulkier and heavier. Instead, they chose to let the consumer spend the $75 on an independent unit, allowing them to keep the cost, size, and weight of the TiVo down. I would say they made the right decision, but that in no way lessens the need for a UPS.
     
  16. Aug 21, 2010 #6316 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    I thought about that before I posted, so read it over several times. It may well have been his intent, but the text strongly implied it had been in the TiVo 8 years.
     
  17. Aug 21, 2010 #6317 of 10248
    bareyb

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    Yeah. I call BS on those people! People love to pretend they don't like TV. They think it makes them look more intelligent or like they have fuller lives. The real truth is, they come home from work, eat some dinner, and watch TV before they go to bed just like the rest of us. They feel guilty for some reason, so they lie about it. :D
     
  18. Aug 21, 2010 #6318 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yep...even if the OP were a beta tester that wouldn't add up. No matter I guess because as mentioned, hard drives can last a long, long time...over a decade in some cases.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2010 #6319 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Worst of all they watch whatever garbage or lesser garbage that happens to be on rather than cherry picking the best of the best for some quality TV time, be it a 30 minutes or three hours. Go figure. :rolleyes:
     
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    richsadams

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    :eek:
     

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