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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 14, 2010 #6261 of 10316
    richsadams

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    All good news. The family will begin to appreciate it when they can save an entire season of their favorite shows...and still have room for more. Enjoy!
     
  2. Aug 14, 2010 #6262 of 10316
    TiVo Bob W

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    Well, I have tried to swap my internal drive for a larger one with no luck. I have tried different ways and posted my results over at mfsLive.org. I would love to hear any and all suggestions.

    I am starting to believe the following in the FAQ is incorrect:
    Thanks, Bob
     
  3. Aug 14, 2010 #6263 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Sorry that things aren't going as planned. Not having done exactly what you're attempting I'm afraid I can't offer any more advice. Hopefully other folks will be able to help. Best of luck!
     
  4. Aug 15, 2010 #6264 of 10316
    ThreeSoFar

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    I've used exclusively the Linux version of the MFS tools over the years, but never have had a married drive (external or internal), I've always had a single drive.

    But I took a look over at the other thread and I don't understand how the error is talking about /dev/hdc when your command line pointed elsewhere. Did you try that command without any /dev/hdX drives plugged in? Literally just unplug any drives but your SATA TiVo drives.
     
  5. Aug 15, 2010 #6265 of 10316
    TiVo Bob W

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    Only drives connected where the TiVo SATA drives and the IDE CD drive to boot from. The error message does not make sense to me either?!?

    Bob
     
  6. Aug 15, 2010 #6266 of 10316
    VSG

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    Hey there,

    I've been tinkering with tivo's for years, and last I ended up with a 1.5tb albeit limited to 1tb plus the org. 250gb that the series 3 has. I wanted to do 1tb + 1tb external, but to save all my recordings, but without success.

    I got the new 11h update, and I tried out not limiting to 1tb, and it worked fine. I'm not sure what signs to watch out for? That gave me about 237HD hours as far as I can remember.

    One day at Fry's I saw a 2tb seagate 5900rpm on sale for 109 with a 5 year warranty. I thought, what the heck? Let's try it! Well? It works great! Very low noise, much lower than the 1.5gb seagate that I tried.

    So what gives? I used winmfs, and everything seems to work fine? It's been running for about 1 week now with tons of downloads and recordings. All great with normal temps.

    Did tivo remove the 1tb limit in the 11h update, or am I treading on thin ice?
    :confused:

    edit 8/15/10 12noon:
    Oh, I was able to successfully copy over all the shows from a very very full 1.5tb wd to the new 2tb seagate in very little time (8 hours?)
     
  7. Aug 15, 2010 #6267 of 10316
    Robin

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    Another success story!

    I've upgraded a s1 and s2 DirecTiVo in the past and have been threatening to upgrade my s3 HD for a while. Amazon's $55 for the WD10EARS finally gave me the shove I needed and I put it in this morning. Smoothest upgrade yet! I ran the wdidle and it runs through a soft boot just fine.

    Thanks! :up:
     
  8. Aug 15, 2010 #6268 of 10316
    tcfcameron

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    I'd really love to hear more about this (from anybody), since I'm still trying to get a copy of the >1TB capable hybrid (aka "Broflovski image") for my TiVo HDs to make use of the full 2TB of my WD20EADS drives. It sounds like you had to use an 11.0h image to get the full capacity, if I am reading right. You also have a S3, so no guarantee that I could make this happen on a TiVo HD.

    I have heard that you can opt to expand all the way there, and things will work fine, until you hit the point that the drive is full and it needs to delete programs to make room. That's where everything goes to hell, from what I've read here, as well as elsewhere.

    Anybody else try this out yet? I'm not exactly getting flooded with PM's offering up the Hybrid/Broflovski image, which I thought was my only shot at full capacity.

     
  9. Aug 16, 2010 #6269 of 10316
    VSG

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    Well, we'll find out very soon, since my S3 is taping a LOT of shows...

    In the other end of the house my HD is action up...after asking it to tape 50 SPs and about 25 how to's....it sends a message after each request, and now restarts when I try to read the messages. :confused:

    I can't remember if I've tried not limiting the tivo before. If it will in fact go crazy when full, I certainly feel like a fool, albeit a very experienced one...;)
     
  10. Aug 16, 2010 #6270 of 10316
    richsadams

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    That's really interesting. I'd also like to hear how things progress with your Series3 "natural" 2TB upgrade.

    BTW, is this the drive you're using...

    http://bit.ly/aLsnf1

    TIA! :up:
     
  11. Aug 16, 2010 #6271 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Congrats and enjoy!
     
  12. Aug 16, 2010 #6272 of 10316
    aaronwt

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    So is that the famous hard drive that uses tape?:D
     
  13. Aug 16, 2010 #6273 of 10316
    richsadams

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    No...it's an "LP" drive...vinyl all the way! :D
     
  14. Aug 16, 2010 #6274 of 10316
    VSG

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    I bought the seagate st320005n4a1as-rk, sorry I'm not able to post a link yet....

    and it's VERY quiet, much to my surprise! I see that people are jumping all over Seagate with the exception of their AV drives, but if temps stay down, it's hard to argue with their 5 year warranty.

    I would prefer the WD20EVDS, but I haven't found it in stock too many places... ZIPZOOMFLY is backordered @129.... I just happened to be in the B&M Fry's and the Seagate was on sale.
     
  15. Aug 16, 2010 #6275 of 10316
    tcfcameron

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    I have been patient, Mr. Broflovski. Much more so, after you smacked me upside the head for "thread crapping", and told me to be patient. Since you will no longer accept PM requests for the image, could you point me in the direction of some image holders who you think won't be bothered by me PMing them with a request for it? I had one offer it up, who would only provide it to me if I could provide them with private login credentials for a private FTP server. I don't run a FTP server, nor do I know of one that is private, that I could somehow give credentials for and keep it private.

    I want to respect your wishes with regards to the image being kept private, among those who have it and those who they trust to give it to. It's my understanding that it's in several split files, but they are still too large to email. I have "Trillian", an excellent & free IM/IRC/ICQ program that has private file transfer as an option, but requires the other person to be running it as well (which is a bit much to expect -somebody installing a program that they don't have or necessarily trust just to do this one-off transfer).

    So, Mr Broflovski, how did you share it in the first place? If I knew that, maybe I could know how to get it shared in my direction? Do I need to find some ftp software and take a crash course in being an ftp server admin? I think my ISP may actually block me from even doing so, but I'm not sure.

    Again, once I have a working/validated copy in my possession, all my posts and threads regarding it will be deleted.

    And help/advice you give me will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks in advance.

     
  16. Aug 16, 2010 #6276 of 10316
    GPT999

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    So, I went through the steps for upgrading both an internal ( WD specified as a good choice here) and I tried to marry it with an external eSata 1 Tb Seagate Free Agent Pro that I originally had as a expansion drive for my Direct TV DVR. After going through the steps ( using mfs utility just using the mfsadd to add the external hdd, since I was upgrading from the org TIVO drive), the TIVO unit gets stuck at the "Powering up" Sunrise screen. First time up, the external HDD did not seem to power on ( I know it won't show power until computer or device connected to it powers up). But then it started to show power after a a few miuntes. I reset power to both units ( TIVO and external HDD) but still can't get by "powering Up".

    Any ideas? Is the Seagate External incompatible b/c of internals or b/c it was used as the Direct TV system? I would think the TIVO would reformat the drive space or do I need to do something else like some sort of Linux format of the drive?

    Thanks for any advice at this point. I will pop the drives back out later this week and hopefully will have some good choices to follow from all of you knowledgeable people.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2010 #6277 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Agreed...we have no patience around here. ;)

    I'd turn TiVo Suggestions on...that should fill it up very quickly.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2010 #6278 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the Forum. Seagate FAP's have been problematic with TiVo's since the original KS62 hack a few years ago (yikes, has it been that long?!). They either didn't work at all or ended up failing very quickly. No one cause was ever determined (overheating was one problem) but they were specifically not recommended as expansion drives and that still stands. They just don't play nice with TiVo.

    When TiVo hangs on the "Welcome! Powering up..." screen it means that the motherboard cannot communicate with the hard drive. In other words TiVo has to be able to communicate with both the internal and external hard drives immediately on powering up. Based on your post it doesn't sound like the FAP is fully spinning when you boot TiVo?

    In any case, I'd avoid using the FAP. There were a few people that successfully used one version or another for a time but the overwhelming majority failed.
     
  19. Aug 16, 2010 #6279 of 10316
    VSG

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    I caught this news on techbargains.com ...Just ordered one...something to compare to the Seagate...I wouldn't bother with externals like the freeagent...just another failure point. If I can't get my 2tb to work correctly, I Will reuse my 2 x 1tb (1 in a rosewill fan exc)
     
  20. Aug 16, 2010 #6280 of 10316
    VSG

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    forgot to mention for new people.. the EARS still probably will require wdidle3.exe, and are not as good as the EVDS series...but a whole lot cheaper... :)
     

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