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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jul 29, 2010 #6201 of 10316
    rocko

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    Hmmm - I know I took a WinMFS expanded 750GB drive and upped it to 1 GB while keeping recordings. Not sure why goinf from 1GB to 1.whatever would be different - but I'm a moron.

    If you're keeping the original drive you don't have anything to lose by trying.
     
  2. Jul 30, 2010 #6202 of 10316
    haidawei

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    Well, I have to say that was one of the easiest upgrades that I have done. The directions in the FAQ were perfect and everything went smoothly. You are correct, the hard drive is quiet. Thanks again for all of the help.

    Do I even bother pulling the hard drive out of my DVR expander and running tests on it? Have people had success bringing them back to life once they get them out of the expander enclosure?
     
  3. Jul 30, 2010 #6203 of 10316
    bowlingblogger

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    I pulled mine out of the enclosure after it failed in my Tivo and repurposed it as the main hard drive on an old Windows XP box, and it's still working great.
     
  4. Jul 30, 2010 #6204 of 10316
    jgbeldock

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    All,

    Sorry for my slow reply. Was out of the country. To answer your questions, I have tried connecting my *UNMODIFIED* Series 3 to several e-SATA drives, both 1Tb and 500Gb. Most recently I have tried and failed with a brand new Toshiba 1Tb External, model #PH3100U-1EXB. The Tivo is running 11.0g-01-2-648.

    Just to remind everyone, I have an endless loop problem: the S3 recognizes that a drive is plugged in if I go to Home / Settings/ ... / External Devices, but no matter how many times I tell it to set up this external drive, when it reboots, the S3 says the same thing (drive is not set up) when I return to this menu. I confirm that the storage space has not expanded by checking System Status (still 76 hours), and if I go to External Devices, I am told the device needs to be set up (again) no matter how many times I go through the setup/reboot/check process.

    Kickstart 54 reports no failures on the drive, and the drive *IS* shown under the External Storage line in System Status (and correctly identified as, e.g., a Toshiba 1Tb External).

    Thanks,
    -James
     
  5. Jul 31, 2010 #6205 of 10316
    Phantom Gremlin

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    I haven't gone back to read all your comments in this thread, but in TiVo's defense ...

    They don't guarantee that any arbitrary eSATA drive will work. I'd suggest that you try an approved WD product, but unfortunately those tend to fail after about 18 months.

    Kinda sucks, sorry I can't be of more help.
     
  6. Jul 31, 2010 #6206 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Hi James. Can you confirm the HD and SD hours showing on your System Information Screen? I'm asking based on your quote (above). That number doesn't correspond with the recording capacity for a stock drive in a Series3.
     
  7. Jul 31, 2010 #6207 of 10316
    tlc

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    I'm deciding between the WD10EARS and WD15EARS for my Tivo HD which has a stock drive and a (failing) WD expander. I understand that the EARS requires wdidling and that a 1.5TB drive requires WinMFS and won't get me a full 1.5TB.

    I wanted to make sure that I understood this:
    Will my divorced stock drive qualify to setup a 1.5TB drive? (I think so, but the word "expanded" was used.)

    Before the WD Expander, I did a internal upgrade and was unlucky with a bad 1TB drive. So I put the stock one back in and got the Expander. Given this, will my stock drive still qualify to setup a 1.5TB drive?

    If I go 1.5TB and need to replace that drive someday, I can't use it as input to WinMFS, right? I'll need to go back to the old stock drive and the newer Subscriptions and Thumbs will be missing, right?
     
  8. Jul 31, 2010 #6208 of 10316
    tlc

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    There are some success stories with the EARS in this thread. Then I spotted this in the FAQ. Has this been resolved?
     
  9. Jul 31, 2010 #6209 of 10316
    MPSAN

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    This turned out to not matter.

    I have 2 WD10EARS drives running in two THD's now. I needed wdidle3 and hddscan, but these drive are quiet!
     
  10. Jul 31, 2010 #6210 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Probably (there are a few reports of the newest models no longer needing wdidle) and true.

    Yes.

    Yes. Just be sure that you properly divorce your eSATA drive first...

    http://www.tivo.com/mytivo/howto/getconnected/howto_add_recording_capacity.html

    I'm not sure about the 1.5TB drive but I've replaced a 1TB with a 1TB, saving all of the recordings, etc. without a problem. I don't see any reason the same wouldn't work with a 1.5TB to 1.5TB drive. Hopefully someone that's tried it can chime in.

    FWIW if you subscribe to TiVo's Guru Guides or KidZone all of your subscriptions are archived. When your "new" TiVo connects to the mothership your subs, etc. will be repopulated.

    http://www.tivo.com/findtvshows/guides/index.html

    My two cents? Unless the small amount of additional recording space is critical, I would just go with the 1TB drive. If you shop around you can usually find them on sale at some point. The last two I bought from Newegg were $59.99, a good deal cheaper than the 1.5TB models.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  11. Aug 1, 2010 #6211 of 10316
    HazelW

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    The FAQ states:

    You must start with an original (non-expanded) TiVo image; images from upgraded TiVos will not work. You must also use WinMFS to prepare drives larger than 1TB. Older tools such as MFSLive and InstantCake do not support >1TB capacities.

    Not sure if the >1TB applies to the whole statement or just the use of WinMFS.

    I have a 1 TB drive that I used Instantcake to prepare. Can I use WinMFS to make an image of this drive and use the image to prepare another drive. I just want to keep the CC pairing info and season passes.
     
  12. Aug 1, 2010 #6212 of 10316
    tlc

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    Doesn't this analysis also mean that in the worst case, you'll be writing any given section of the disk 4 times as often? That can't be good.

    I'm going to start searching the thread for talk of the earlier WD greens. Is the recent EARS preference just due to price?
     
  13. Aug 1, 2010 #6213 of 10316
    richsadams

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    That's a good question. I don't know if TiVo/Unix/Linux utilizes the drive as you've described and/or reads or writes the same way as X. In my small way of thinking it seems as if it is writing data 4x as often there would be added noise, although I'm not sure if it would be 4x as much as one of the older models. Based on numerous posts, once the AAM is set at 128 it is as quiet or quieter than earlier WD GP models as well as TiVo's OEM drive. That could simply be a result of improved architecture however. MPSAN is a bit of an expert on HDD's and would probably be able to help us here.

    The WDXXEARS series hasn't been added to the FAQ recommended list by BKDTV. It's become somewhat of a default partly due to price, but probably more so because the older models are becoming scarce or have been discontinued and it's readily available from most online retailers.

    I have two brand new WD10EARS drives sitting on the shelf...guess I should pop one in my Series3 and see how it goes. (After I mow the lawn ;) ).
     
  14. Aug 1, 2010 #6214 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Although I used an original TiVo drive (not IC) to initially create a 1TB upgraded drive, I did subsequently use that 1TB drive's image and winMFS to create a "new" 1TB drive without any issues. I don't see any reason IC would make any difference one way or the other as long as it's like-for-like (1TB to 1TB).
     
  15. Aug 1, 2010 #6215 of 10316
    bobfrank

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    bkdtv,

    Thank you for the great drive upgrade instructions in this thread.

    I've upgraded several TiVo's in the past with InstantCake. Following your instructions made the job just as easy and even better was free.

    Many thanks again.
     
  16. Aug 1, 2010 #6216 of 10316
    tlc

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    Given the reports, I have no fear it will function. My concern is longevity. I've ordered a WD10EVDS.
     
  17. Aug 1, 2010 #6217 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Since that model is a dedicated A/V drive it will do very well. Although TiVo can't take advantage of most of its features, at least you won't have to adjust the AAM. Let us know what the manufacture date is and if you had to run wdidle to avoid the soft reboot issue. TIA and happy upgrading!
     
  18. Aug 1, 2010 #6218 of 10316
    MPSAN

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    Thank you, Rich. The performance required by the TIVO is low compared to the time it would take to write all eight 512 Byte sectors as a 4K block. Also, there should be no seek noise associated with this (head movement going to another cylinder) as the write will be on the same track. This is a VERY hard question to answer as so much depends on the OS and how they handle this. If many of us were not using these EARS drives with 4K blocks already, including me, it could be a good discussion, especially if the 512 byte sector does not align to let the OS/Drive write all eight 512 byte segments all at once.

    However, this all seems to not matter as a whole bunch of us do use these drives and have not had any issues, and, as I have said a few times already, this WD10EARS is quieter in our Bedroom THD than the stock drive that TIVO has in the unit..
     
  19. Aug 2, 2010 #6219 of 10316
    MPSAN

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    Amazon has the WD10EARS for $55.49 with free shipping! Just go to Amazon and search for WD10EARS.
     
  20. Aug 2, 2010 #6220 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Well there's a good $4.50 I wasted. :mad: :D

    Nice find. :up:
     

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