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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jun 25, 2010 #6061 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    No harm in just testing. I might wait a bit longer to see if it happens again - I just hate going through the trouble to find nothing.

    If you do end up hooking it up to a computer you might take a truncated WinMFS backup to restore in the event of a complete drive bork. I'd also recommend transferring whatever content off to the computer (TiVo to Go, kmttg) prior to the operation so you don't lose anything should that bork occur.

    I always do this prior to pulling a drive - just in case.
     
  2. Jun 25, 2010 #6062 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Bummer. Sometimes that can be caused by the incoming signal...something going on on the broadcast end or somewhere in between if you have cable. It could also be as you suspect something on your end.

    You might first ensure that all of your connections and components are good...coax (both inside and out), HDMI, etc. Sometimes a loose of failing cable, splitter, amp, what have you, will cause what you're seeing. Try also connecting TiVo's power directly to a wall outlet if you're using a surge protector or a UPS (UPS being highly recommended). Power issues can sometimes cause those symptoms as well.

    If everything is in good shape you could run TiVo's built-in SMART hard drive diganostic via Kickstart 54. That might give you an idea if there's a problem. You could also try running Kickstart 57 and/or 58 which will attempt to repair problems. More here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    Otherwise, you could pull the drive and run WD's Lifeguard diagnostics. The "quick test" may or may not reveal some issues but it leaves all of the data intact. The extended read/write/read diagnostic is really the one that will give you what you're looking for. Unfortunately that will wipe everything on the drive and you'd have to re-image it with your original files or TiVo OEM drive again.

    Oh, FWIW I recall a couple of folks saying that their cell phones were causing that sort of trouble. Once they turned them off (or maybe removed them from nearby) the problem disappeared. Go figure.

    It would probably be worthwhile to read the "Troubleshooting and Repairing Your TiVo" sticky thread there:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=416062

    Hope that helps and let us know how it goes.

    EDIT: And what Rocko said...great minds think alike. ;)
     
  3. Jun 25, 2010 #6063 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    Thanks guys - All good advice (except maybe pulling the 1TB of programs onto my PC as a just-in-case - sounds a bit time-consuming 8-}). I feel good about my power and connections (the coax to the TiVo is of superior quality and wrench-tight, only one splitter between it and the curb), but running the kickstart stuff feels pretty benign and easier than cracking open the case. Maybe I'll start there. I'll review that thread as well.

    Thanks!
    /j
     
  4. Jun 25, 2010 #6064 of 10248
    jeepguy_1980

    jeepguy_1980 Unregistered User

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    Has anyone had their WD10EVCS drives die on them? I've had mine in my S3 for more than 2 years now and I think it may be dying, but I'm not certain.
     
  5. Jun 25, 2010 #6065 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    I have a WD10EVCS in our Series3 and I'm not sure if it was a recent FiOS outage or if the drive is becoming a problem but I've experienced several odd freezes recently. It's mostly when I turn the TV on, there's a good picture on the screen, but it just sits there like it was paused. I can push "Live TV" on the remote and it will switch to the other tuner and things are fine again on both tuners. Very strange. It started immediately after Verizon FiOS had a three-state outage on June 7th so that may have something to do with it or it may just be a coincidence. Our drive is about two years old so we may be in the same boat. Hard to say. What are the symptoms? If you really think it's heading south you should transfer any recordings you want to keep to your computer if you can. These things rarely get any better. It can happen to the best of drives. FWIW it has a three-year warranty.

    You might have a read through my post to jeffw_00 just above to see if any of those things might help.

    Best of luck!
     
  6. Jun 25, 2010 #6066 of 10248
    jeepguy_1980

    jeepguy_1980 Unregistered User

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    I'll run some tests this weekend on the drive.

    Yesterday, the TiVo made all of my downloaded VOD shows (i.e. CNET) sound like the people were chipmunks talking through a fan. The voices were high pitched and broken. After a reboot the files played just fine. Then today it did the same thing. I rebooted and they were playing just fine, but then one video froze, pixelated, and let out a really loud high-pitched screech. I watched another video and halfway through the TiVo just rebooted (first time I ever got a random reboot). I watched one more video after the random reboot and it froze, pixelated, and let a high-pitched screech.

    Also, the VoD files are taking forever to download (starting today). I have a 25/25 FiOS connection and it was taking the TiVo nearly 30 minutes to download one CNET video.

    Even though the VoD video froze while playing back, the TiVo never locked up. So far my problems seem limited to the VoD files, but it seems strange that a reboot will allow me to play them back just fine (without re-downloading).
     
  7. Jun 26, 2010 #6067 of 10248
    jeffw_00

    jeffw_00 Member

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    Ok - after reading your suggestions I may, or may not, have anything wrong with my drive - thanks. so..

    Is the risk of running the kickstarts low enough that it 'can't hurt' to run them, or should I wait until I really think I have a problem? (i mean, I don't want to -look- for trouble 8-})

    thanks!
    /J
     
  8. Jun 26, 2010 #6068 of 10248
    richsadams

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    There's really zero risk running any Kickstarts. The only thing that might happen is that a recording could be lost if KS57 finds and isolates bad sectors on the drive where part of a recording resides. Otherwise, they should have no affect on your TiVo.

    Also note that MFS assert (KS57) will generate what's commonly known as the GSOD (or Green Screen of Death...which it really isn't). KS58 however is transparent in the respect that it doesn't generate any screen and will simply reboot TiVo when it's done. If you run KS54 it's very self explanatory, just try and make sure you follow the directions in the KS post.

    I'm going to take a little time and run them on my drive this weekend as well.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes!
     
  9. Jun 26, 2010 #6069 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    gracias - will give it a try
    /j
     
  10. Jun 26, 2010 #6070 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to help. I added a couple of things to my post if you missed them.

    Have a great weekend!
     
  11. Jun 28, 2010 #6071 of 10248
    jppowers

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    Just used WinMFS to image a WD 2TB drive. The Supersize option failed. Has anyone who used the Mr B image previously noted that behaviour?

    JP
     
  12. Jun 29, 2010 #6072 of 10248
    yukit

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    I don't remember if I actually tried the supersize option, but I don't remember running into any problems as far as prepping a new 2TB drive.
    It was quite a while ago though,so I could be mistaken.
     
  13. Jun 30, 2010 #6073 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Hello ALL:

    Thanks to Verizon (long story :D), I need to upgrade our Bedroom THD to 1 TB. We do not need any more than that and (I would think a 1.5 - 2 TB drive would be nosier) wonder if the WD10EARS would still be the quietest drive to get. I believe they are better than the Seagate or Hitachi for the bedroom. I believe that I will need wdidle3, but will I need to set AAM?

    Waiting for July 4th sales and do not want to pay more than $60 including shipping, although FRYS has them for $68 now in the store!
     
  14. Jun 30, 2010 #6074 of 10248
    rxrepli

    rxrepli New Member

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    No need to worry about the Supersize option failing. You will still get the appropriate number of recording hours from the Mr. B image. When I did the upgrade Mfsinfo reported the following:

    Total SA SD Hours: 2083 Total DTV SD Hours: 1818 100 % Free
    Software: 11.0d-01-2-652 Tivo Model: not set in MFS

    Enjoy your Supersize TiVo!
     
  15. Jun 30, 2010 #6075 of 10248
    MPSAN

    MPSAN Active Member

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    Is this still true? I had thought that enough people here have now used the WD10EARS and said it was great and 4k sectors were OK ...and quiet. I am asking as I am about an hour away from getting 2 of these drives from FRYS.

    From the FAQ

    Western Digital's WDxxEARS drive features a unique 4KB physical sector that exhibits reduced performance under software (like TiVo's) that expects 512 byte sectors. It is not clear to what degree this affects TiVo responsiveness.
     
  16. Jun 30, 2010 #6076 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    I used WD10EADS and WD10EVCS and WD10EVDS and all needed only nothing or (for the EADS) wdidle. Never messed with the physical sector size (if you even can).
     
  17. Jun 30, 2010 #6077 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That entry is outdated. As many others have mentioned, the WD10EARS works fine in TiVo. IIRC some have had to address the Intellipark feature while others haven't. Only the EVDS models have the AAM set to 128 so although they're quiet out of the box, I'd plan on adjusting the AAM on your new bedroom drive at least.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  18. Jun 30, 2010 #6078 of 10248
    MPSAN

    MPSAN Active Member

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    I am back. I will adjust the AAM on both. The drives have a date of 25 December 2009. Should I try to use them without wdidle3, as I have 11.g, or have we figured out by now that we need it. I guess I wonder if it is worth trying.

    If I were not going to Fry's for something else, I would have waited for the July 4th ads, but $68 is not that bad.
     
  19. Jul 1, 2010 #6079 of 10248
    richsadams

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    $68 is a good deal...need we remember the $259 plus MX-1 enclosure many of us paid for the 500GB eSATA drives we bought when we discovered the Series3 expansion hack? :cool:

    AFAIK the drives you found at Fry's are older than most have been using here so wdidle3 may be in order. Me? I'd try one w/o doing it and see what happens...if you have time that is. ;)

    Have fun!
     
  20. Jul 1, 2010 #6080 of 10248
    yukit

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    Yes, you will likely to require to disable Intellipark.

    I believe the build date of the drive must be Mar 2010 or later.

    My WD20EARS built on Feb 19 required wdidle3.
     

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