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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jun 12, 2010 #5981 of 10248
    reubanks

    reubanks New Member

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    Here I am in the middle of upgrading my last THD to 2TB internal and you have to go and tell me this...

    AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

    Oh well...
     
  2. Jun 12, 2010 #5982 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Guess its time to shake and bake Tivo again, huh? Only this time don't forget the breaded coating. :D
     
  3. Jun 12, 2010 #5983 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    Sometimes my evil streak shows... :D

    I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but my THD only has a 500G drive in it. My S3 TiVos are another matter, though. :)
     
  4. Jun 13, 2010 #5984 of 10248
    richsadams

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    They'll work right out of the box with Macs as well. :up:

    Not so sure we're ready for 3TB TiVo's though. :eek:
     
  5. Jun 13, 2010 #5985 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well, I wouldn't be too concerned. I mean, the possibility of "breaking" something doesn't exist. There have been reports of goofed up partition expansions over the years. 200 hours of HD is a new one though...it's actually not possible with a 1TB hard drive. The lower SD hours have shown up now and then though.

    The 4K sectors on the new EARS series do not have any affect on TiVo. (No jumper settings need to be considered). There are a number of folks here using that exact drive successfully. There's always a possibility that something is wrong with the drive, but it's more likely something didn't go right during the image process.

    The OP may just need to start from scratch using the original hard drive once more.
     
  6. Jun 13, 2010 #5986 of 10248
    hmm52

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    I'm posting my day's experience in case there's a lesson to be learned for anybody else. bkdtv did a great job of mapping various upgrade scenarios in the first page FAQs. Unfortunately there are those who will do a cursory read, attempt methods not certain to be supported, allow 30 minutes total for the job, and be working with a cat trying to jump alternately on shoulders and into an exposed S3 and desktop. Yours truly.

    The attempt was to copy recordings 2 to 1 from an original S3 HDD with external HDD to a recent WD10EVDS (4/27/10) using WinMFS. This failed in some fashion, I don't remember, maybe the cat does. After thrashing around awhile I resorted to InstantCake as I didn't have a backup file of a properly divorced internal drive. Using this on a recently buillt desktop with only SATA optical drives required more patience than I offered (mounting/identifying the SATA CDROM) so an older P4 2.8C with PATA CDROM and just two SATA ports was used for InstantCake first on the WD10EVDS (failure) then on an intermediate WD 640GB HDD.

    The failures and successes are as follows: "failure" meaning no boot whatsoever.

    failure - InstantCake imaged WD10EVDS 9.2a software
    success - " " WD Blue Caviar 640GB 9.2 software
    failure - WinMFS copy of 640GB on WD10EVDS 11.0g software
    success - the above after running wdidle3.exe on the drive

    This time I did make backup files for both drives then mfs added a Seagate 750GB certified repaired HDD (warranty exchange) to the WD10 as I don't trust it enough to put into a desktop but wanted to utilize it somewhere. Hard and soft boots are no problem; stable overall; 278 HD hours showing - in the ballpark, I guess. With the relatively recent build date of the WD10 and running 11.0g software, I didn't expect to have to disable the Intellipark feature just to get any boot. Without applying wdidle3.exe however, I'd be dead in the water.

    Still screwed up is the original 250GB HDD. I can't get rid of the "wrong external storage connected" screen. InstantCake is of no use as it considers the drive too small. Any way to salvage it? The 640GB is going back into the desktop.
     
  7. Jun 13, 2010 #5987 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the entertaining post! Cats can be, um, fun...but they aren't very helpful with electronics of any nature. Dogs on the other hand...well...aren't either. As you suggest, folks that want to upgrade need to read ALL of the info on the FAQ and follow the directions to the letter...no short cuts, no creative thinking, no "what if's".

    Unfortunately recordings from TiVo's that employ an eSATA drive cannot be saved during the upgrade process. Recordings are striped across the internal and external drives and there is no way to directly combine the two onto one new drive. The only option is to transfer non-copy protected recordings to an outside source like another TiVo or a computer and then back to the newly upgraded TiVo.

    By your description the external drive was not divorced from the internal drive properly. Unfortunately if that's the case, there is nothing to be done. To remove the eSATA drive, be sure to follow the proper divorce procedure:

    http://www.tivo.com/mytivo/howto/getconnected/howto_add_recording_capacity.html

    Even if you did this properly, TiVo doesn't think so, so the result is the same...a borked hard drive. :(

    Thanks for datapoint regarding the WD10EVDS not being able to initially boot w/o disabling the Intellipark feature. This is still an obviously moving target.

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  8. Jun 13, 2010 #5988 of 10248
    hmm52

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    Thanks for your input Rich when it sounds like you are losing much leisure time because of the Frontier snafu. Your answer was as I suspected. I assume the WD 640Gb could be used in a pinch as I have a good restore file on a desktop. By the way I don't put any blame on the cat. He is fun even when he's bad.

    Wrong thread but your current CCI situation sounds random but ominous. Somewhat different was my last year and a half with Comcast Philadelphia. Initially it was 0X00 across the board. HBO became the first to fall to 0X02; then all the premiums; next were the ESPNs; when I left for FiOS in '06, Comcast Phila. was applying 0X02 to everything including the locals! Their answer was always the same, "It's not us; it's the content providers." Right. I have no idea what they've done since then. 0X02 was a PITA with the Sony DVRs as they'd see consecutive recordings on the same channel as copying twice - multiple ESPN broadcasts of a tennis major for example. So one minute recordings on another channel needed to be setup in between each ESPN recording as a workaround.

    I thought that Verizon would never CCI flag anything because it would interfere with their own equipment's ability for MRV. This not so? I haven't looked in a long time but I think it's 0X00 across the board here and CCI is disabled. I understand you are transitioning from VZ to Frontier. Nice timing.
     
  9. Jun 13, 2010 #5989 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    While I don't have one I'm willing to bet that VZ uses a streaming implementation for MRV. Since only one copy exists there's no copy protection problem.

    We've been screaming for streaming (c) for quite a while. I believe with S3 hardware it's not capable - perhaps something can happen with the new S4 platfor but I'm not holding my breath. I'm happy to get a few days without a spontaneous reboot.
     
  10. Jun 13, 2010 #5990 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to help...well...sort of anyway. Yes, the Verizon nonsense is concerning. If they leave this mess for Frontier to clean up I'm afraid it will remain "as is". The Frontier folks I've talked do have no clue what a copy flag is. Granted it was a front line CSR, but she didn't sound concerned or inclined to pass my comments along. We'll see what happens. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Jun 14, 2010 #5991 of 10248
    abk

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    Just wondering...should I have formatted the drive before copying the image across? I followed steps as per post 1 and the whole process went w/o a hitch. I'll have to wait for weekend to dive in again and get the drive out, as it's in the b/room and mrs might not be happy w/o her tivo. One thing though, the drive is absolutely quiet....much more than the original 160gb from the tivo.

    Found this link angusj.com/tivo and this person has similar figures to mine.

    cheers
     
  12. Jun 14, 2010 #5992 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    No, it's not necessary to format the drive in any way.

    Those numbers are correct for a 1TB drive in an Australian Tivo. If you're in Australia, then it sounds like your upgrade was performed correctly. I believe the 1367 SD hours for U.S. Tivos is estimated on recording analog channels at lowest quality or something. I think Australia doesn't use analog at all, so you don't see that ridiculously inflated number.
     
  13. Jun 14, 2010 #5993 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As Whitepelican mentions, you do not need to format your new drive.

    I have to remember that our cousins down under also now have TiVo's. D'oh! :eek: Let us know if by chance that's the case. BTW, the different SD numbers are due to the differences in data used; PAL (AU and most of the rest of the world) Vs NTSC (U.S.A.)...PAL having 50fps or lines of resolution vs NTSC's 30.
     
  14. Jun 15, 2010 #5994 of 10248
    billbillw

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    reubanks

    reubanks New Member

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    You mean the ones that keep my wife awake at night so I had to swap it out to the livingroom until I get around to getting a nice quiet WD?

    Probably.
     
  17. Jun 16, 2010 #5997 of 10248
    billbillw

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    I am expecting this to be the case. Luckily, the drive is for my living room Tivo. BTW, the deal I posted yesterday was apparently just a one day sale. The price is back up to $79, but now with a $10 MIR.
     
  18. Jun 16, 2010 #5998 of 10248
    richsadams

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    So has it been confirmed that the AAM cannot be adjusted on the newer Hitachi drives with either hddscan or the older Hitachi Feature Tool v2.11?
     
  19. Jun 16, 2010 #5999 of 10248
    reubanks

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    Rich,

    I was unable to adjust AAM on either of my (2) Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 2TB drives using Hitachi Feature Tool v2.11, HDDScan, or Hitachi Feature Tool 2.15. The drives have an APR-2010 date on the label.

    Randy
     
  20. Jun 16, 2010 #6000 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks Randy. The 1TB Hitachi models I have, HD31000 IDK/7K, are very quiet out of the box, but if it's for a bedroom I guess I'd have to think twice about using one if I couldn't adjust the AAM. It also sounds like the 2TB drives are louder.
     

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