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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 23, 2007 #41 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    No, it does not.

    Many used that drive with the Series3 using the previous, unsupported kickstart62 method. It worked fine for some, but many had that drive fail.

    Seagate does not sell any eSATA drives for DVRs. All of Seagate's eSATA drives are intended for PCs and include cooling appropriate for that use.
     
  2. Oct 23, 2007 #42 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Going back to last May when a lot of us got into this, the FAP's returned mixed results. The supplied eSATA cables were not functional without modifications and there were a number of reported heat issues. Some folks are still using them without trouble, but others were not happy and ended up with reboots, lost programs, etc. IIRC, they became a "not recommended" drive. More here...see #36 in particular.

    EDIT: Ha! I see bkdtv replied at the same time...he's the expert so I'll defer...although great minds think alike. ;)
     
  3. Oct 23, 2007 #43 of 10248
    rrman

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    Just to add another data point.

    With TiVo version 9.2, I was able to successfully add a non-supported eSata drive to my TiVo Series 3 (I did not connect the eSata drive to my TiVo until after I got version 9.2). I am using the Seagate 750DB DB35 drive (model ST3750840SCE), the Antec MX-1 enclosure, and the SIIG eSata 1m cable (CB-SA0111-S1).
    As explained earlier, TiVo warns that the drive is not officially supported, but allows you to add it anyway to a TiVo Series 3.

    Now, I'm going to get the officially supported WD drive for my other TiVo, a TiVo HD.
     
  4. Oct 23, 2007 #44 of 10248
    rrman

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    Just to clarify for other readers, bkdtv is saying that Seagate does not sell drives that are _already_ inside an external enclosure that are intended for DVRs. But, Seagate does sell standalone drives that are intended to be used for DVRs (i.e. the DB35 series). But, these would have to be put in a separately purchased external enclosure (such as the Antec MX-1).

    Anyway, I actually purchased my 750GB DB35 drive a few days ago, right before TiVo announced their official support for eSata drives. I was actually torn between the 500GB WD My DVR drive and the Seagate drive. The 500GB WD drive's price was not bad, and the 750GB DB35 with Antec MX-1 and SIIG eSata cable was more than 50% more than the WD drive (so you paid more than 50% of the price for only 50% increase in capacity). But, 750GB was much more alluring than 500GB. If I had to do it now, my decision on what drive to purchase may have been different, but now that I have the Seagate (and can't return it), I'm glad I have 750GB. Hope it provides trouble free performance for a long time....
     
  5. Oct 23, 2007 #45 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thanks rrman. That is absolutely right; in fact, the Seagate DB35 was one of the most popular drives added to the Series3 with its unofficial eSATA support in 8.3.x.

    It's too bad Seagate doesn't sell that drive in an eSATA enclosure for use with DVRs.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2007 #46 of 10248
    andrews777

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    I have to ask why Tivo felt compelled to record shows on both the external and internal drives. Dish just released their external storage option which allows users to swap drives between their DVRs (as long as they are on the same account).

    This is annoying, though something I will likely live with. Now I have to decide if the My DVR Expander drive from the WD site is the same as the one from the Tivo site, saving me about $40.

    Brad
     
  7. Oct 23, 2007 #47 of 10248
    George Cifranci

    George Cifranci Viva La Tivo!

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    I thought this was a interesting quote from TivoPony that is appropriate for this thread...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5624966&&#post5624966

     
  8. Oct 23, 2007 #48 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    HDTiVo

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    I fail to see how not allowing S3s to marry drives in the future would have disabled already married drives.
     
  10. Oct 23, 2007 #50 of 10248
    kingmiwok

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    Any ideas what the Tivo looks for when determining if the newly attached eSATA drive is a Western Digital DVR Expander, or not? Is it the hard drive itself, or the chipset/board in the eSATA enclosure, or both.

    Assuming budget is not an issue, and you want maximum compatibility and capacity for S3 and HD versions... could you purchase a Western Digital DVR Expander and replace the drive with a 1TB drive? Would the Tivo know? Would it see it as a 1T "certified" drive?
     
  11. Oct 23, 2007 #51 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I recommend skepticism and critical reading in this situation.
     
  12. Oct 23, 2007 #52 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I doubt that would work.

    Tivo probably checks the specific model drive and/or its firmware. The enclosure probably doesn't have much to do with the compatibility.
     
  13. Oct 23, 2007 #53 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I don't understand your comment.

    Tivo is not disabling any drives married under the previous software.
     
  14. Oct 23, 2007 #54 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    Is that a positive or negative dollar amount? ;)
     
  15. Oct 23, 2007 #55 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    Really refering to TiVoPony which you were incorporating into the FAQ. I can't imagine why not having the S3 PnP marry those drives going forward would involve disabling previously married drives using KS62, which is part of what Pony implies.


     
  16. Oct 23, 2007 #56 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Ahh, I see what you mean.

    He probably meant that if the user ever "unmarried" the drive, they would be unable to add it again. TivoPony does his best to simplify issues here on TCF. Some members are too smart for their own good. ;)

    As an aside, I merged in the contents of the old 8.3.x FAQ under the the "Non Verified" section.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2007 #57 of 10248
    nexus99

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    The Western Digital My Book Home Edition 1TB is verified to NOT work with 9.2J on a S3. It looks like WD really wants us to by the 500GB version.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2007 #58 of 10248
    mattack

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    Non-verified step 14 says:
    You cannot backup the drive itself, but you can't copy recordings to your PC using TivoToGo.

    I think the latter part is supposed to be "but you can copy recordings to your PC...",
    meaning BEFORE you remove the drive... (I think)

    (Bummer, so this means that the mfscopy | mfsrestore tools that have worked forever don't work on S3/TivoHD??)
     
  19. Oct 23, 2007 #59 of 10248
    Kev639

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    Does anyone know how long the eSATA cable that is included with the WD verifiied drive is?
     
  20. Oct 23, 2007 #60 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Typo fixed, thanks.

    I know those tools work on the main drive. But I was previously told that one could not backup recordings from one eSATA drive and restore it to another. If that is possible, please let me know and I will fix that.
     

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