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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 19, 2010 #5861 of 10248
    reubanks

    reubanks New Member

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    I dunno, all I know is what was posted. I was just trying to translate...

    I'm gonna go over in the corner while listening to my Hitachi drive rattle and sulk for a while.
     
  2. May 19, 2010 #5862 of 10248
    JohnNButchNGunny

    JohnNButchNGunny New Member

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. Broflovski
    I have created an image that is useable with WinMFS and is not subject to these limitations, and will work with hard drives up to 2.0TB in size. Any interested parties with a TivoHD and hard drive > 1TB are welcome to PM me.

    ***EDIT : 5/16***

    I will no longer be offering this image via PM.

    Several community members have a copy at this point, if you are in need of a copy, please make a public request and I'm sure someone will help (please don't threadcrap all over this thread though, there are image begging threads here).

    I am very interested in obtaining the image which will support upgrading my Tivo HD to a 2TB drive. I have been unable to find this image, and hope that this request is not categorized as "thread capping". I apologize in advance if this is what I am doing.

    Thanks for your help! -- John
     
  3. May 19, 2010 #5863 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    John, I guess you are going to have a problem in that you can not get/post PM's before 5 posts. :D
     
  4. May 19, 2010 #5864 of 10248
    donnoh

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    Mr. Broflovski asked each person that got his image to not share it and I'm sure everyone will comply with that request.
    Since you were late with your request please don't ask a member to betray his trust.
    The ebay dude can sell you a similar image pre-loaded on a drive for a reasonable price.
     
  5. May 19, 2010 #5865 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Actually, that is not exactly what was said...

    Feel free to share with friends/family/whatever, just please use discretion (ya know, copyrights 'n all).

    However, he did say to be careful with it and it is hard to comply with a request by someone who JUST registered on this site as we have no idea who they are.
     
  6. May 19, 2010 #5866 of 10248
    JohnNButchNGunny

    JohnNButchNGunny New Member

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    I very much appreciate your response, and need to clarify that I have read every post regarding expanding storage on a TIVO HD so that I would minimize any burden on members here. Mr. Broflovski's last post regarding the image suggested that an interested user should make a public request. I felt I was simply following his suggestion, and I didn't realize there was a timeline for making such requests.

    I purchased my Tivo HD in March of 2009, and that is when I joined this forum. I have been reading all of the posts here for the past 15 months to educated myself on the upgrade process, while waiting until my Tivo HD warranty expired. I'm amazed by the depth of technical information shared here by the community members, and hope to be able to contribute in the future. I apologize for any perceived violations of protocol in my posts/requests here - I had no negative intentions - I really just want to upgrade my Tivo HD with a 2TB drive.

    Thanks -- John
     
  7. May 19, 2010 #5867 of 10248
    rooobosmith

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    I ran the Hitachi tools on my new HD31000.

    It could not find the drive on one SATA port, and found it on another, but it still said AAM is not supported. :(
     
  8. May 19, 2010 #5868 of 10248
    reubanks

    reubanks New Member

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    Here's what Hitachi says:

    ______________________________________________________
    Hi Randy,

    Thank you for contacting Hitachi Global Storage Technologies.

    I do not know how HDDSCAN work because this is not our tool but the AAM
    feature is not currently supported by our Feature Tool.

    I do not have the timeline from our Development team when they can provide
    the tool that will support the feature.

    Regards,

    Butch
    NA TSC Manager
    ______________________________________________________

    So they used to offer it in their software, but no longer do. Aftermarket software as well as their old version says it isn't supported, so it's also pulled from the firmware...

    Time to update the list of recommended drives?

    Randy
     
  9. May 19, 2010 #5869 of 10248
    Mr. Broflovski

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    I guess I should have been more clear about everything.

    I never intended to offer the image by PM for very long. There was no pressure from TiVo/lawyers/secret societies/etc to stop offering it. Frankly, answering PM's and emails gets old pretty fast.

    It was presented to the public in this manner to avoid pissing off TiVo and TCF administration. TiVo has never seemed to mind dedicated users helping eachother out, but certainly does not want to see their intellectual property being distributed willy-nilly all over the internet, ie: direct download links posted in the open for anyone to see.

    To anyone wanting a copy at this point, please make a request in a thread such as this one. By 'thread crapping', I meant posting off-topic image begging requests in a thread such as this one, which is dedicated to accomplishing the actual upgrade, not soliciting backup images.

    To anyone who has a copy of the image at this point, please help out your fellow man by sharing the image (in private), if you feel comfortable in doing so with the requesting individual. Just do not post direct download links in public, share the actual link that I originally provided (which is dead now BTW), or share the image with vendors (as I requested in our private conversations).

    Thank you.

    --Kyle :)
     
  10. May 19, 2010 #5870 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Good clarification, Kyle. But how can I or anyone else, give JohnNButchNGunny a copy as he actually posted this...

    ...while waiting until my Tivo HD warranty expired

    I mean...who on this forum actually did that? This sounds suspicious! :D Rich gave us permission way before that (several days after first power on). Anyway, John needs a post or two before he can get a PM.
     
  11. May 19, 2010 #5871 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Yes, I noticed AAM missing a while ago.

    But what's probably happened is that on the newer drives Hitachi can't control the seeking as precisely as they used to be able to. They don't support AAM because it's probably more difficult or impossible to do.
     
  12. May 20, 2010 #5872 of 10248
    jwl

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    Great thread! I've been reading & taking notes for a week, but likely missed some things & would appreciate any guidance toward the right options. Many thanks.

    Our mom's internally unmodified 12-month-old Tivo HD has been connected for 10 months to a 1T My DVR Expander, which is failing. We've unplugged both, still married. We'd really like to save the programming.

    Before getting to options for rescue, I'm hoping to diagnose the cause. I understand it could be: (1) the Expander drive, (2) its enclosure (is that the same thing as the power supply?), or (3) the e-SATA cable.

    It started freezing at the same spots on playback (& other operations, as we recall), causing a reboot at least daily for about a week. It has not yet failed to recognize the Expander. We ran TiVo's Smart Test. The primary drive passed all tests but the secondary read "Fail 7" for Short Test, Conveyance Test, & Extended Test.

    We were using the cable boxed with the Expander, so we ordered a SIIG cable online. It didn't make a difference. (By the way, are there any identifying marks on a SIIG cable? The plastic bag for this one is generic, & "SIIG" is not imprinted among the other codes on the cable.)

    A TiVo Support tech said the cable was unlikely to be the cause, since the TiVo was recognizing the Expander.

    We have Bright House with an M-card & tuning adapter. We'd had loss of signal every week since the cable install a year ago. Shortly before the Expander began to fail, a BH tech said that the M-card had never been correctly installed. Now we wonder if the "EMM" M-card error code he was getting was caused by the failing Expander.

    The Expander is still under warranty, but I guess WD would want it back before they'd send a replacement, complicating the copy process. Our only other TiVo is an 8-year-old Series 2. Our wireless network is "g" -- so it would take days on TiVo Desktop (assuming the good things aren't protected). We'd also like to copy things as quickly as possible, before a total drive failure.

    So I think what I'd like to find out is:

    1. Is it the cable, & how do I know if I have a real SIIG?

    2. Is it the housing or power supply, & can a technical/computer novice switch the Expander drive into a new housing or supply?

    3. Is it the drive, & would a novice have any chance following the copy instructions in software in this thread -- or be better taking it to the computer guy at Staples who says he has a degree in computers & could -- with some research -- do the job?

    4. Besides booting up the TiVo & the Expander in the wrong sequence, is there anything to avoid before starting the copying -- anything that would make failure occur sooner, or would force extra charges from Bright House?

    Thanks!
     
  13. May 20, 2010 #5873 of 10248
    jcthorne

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    If one was going to purchase a 2TB drive specific for a TivoHD which would be best? I do not have a desktop pc with SATA ports to do the WD utilities, the upgrade will be accomplished on a laptop using a USB - SATA docking port. Thanks for the recomendations. Not so much concerned about a few dollars one way or the other, just getting the right drive to do this as easy as possible with a positive outcome.
     
  14. May 20, 2010 #5874 of 10248
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    If you pause this during playback, will it still crash? If not, I recommend iTiVo and "decrypt" mode to transfer recordings to your computer as a simple way to rescue them with no computer science degree needed. pyTivo will allow you to transfer them back to the DVR once you sort out whatever's wrong. I've done this for several failing TiVo drives.

    You will, of course, need a large drive or two connected to your computer to store them all.
     
  15. May 20, 2010 #5875 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum...sorry it's under such frustrating circumstances. It looks like you've done your homework. :up:

    It really doesn't matter. The issue was/is the connectors on the cable supplied by WD not seating fully. If you have a snug connection on both ends it s/b fine.

    If it's the enclosure no one knows for sure what causes the failure (it's likely a bridge and/or chipset issue). Removing the hard drive from the enclosure and putting it in a new one is fairly simple. I'm sure there are appropriate YouTube instructional videos available. Doing that would void the drive's warranty of course. In your case however it's more probable that the hard drive itself is failing based on the SMART test.

    An exact copy of the hard drive can be accomplished using a Unix/Linux program called "dd". If you're not familiar with that having someone else do it is a possibility. Keep in mind that TiVo recognizes the hard drive by the model number so you would have to use the exact same eSATA drive. In other words, you'd have to copy your existing WD My DVR Expander hard drive to a brand new WD My DVR Expander for it to work.

    If you're talking about copying recordings to another TiVo or using TiVo Desktop or another program to copy recordings from TiVo to a computer, no there's nothing you could do that would cause any more problems. The speed of the copy process can be improved slightly by tuning TiVo to channels that you do not receive on both tuners. If there's any chance of connecting TiVo via Ethernet instead of using WiFi that would speed up the process as well.

    FWIW TiVo (or the eSATA drive) would have no effect on the cable card as everything is one-way. I'm not familiar with tuning adapters though, so someone that is may chime in as to how that might affect TiVo with respect to hard drive issues. The continual loss of signal or other ongoing signal issues could take a toll on TiVo's hard drive I/O correction abilities; shortening the hard drive's life I suppose.

    Although the 500GB model of the WD My DVR Expanders has a lousy track record (often failing after 12 to 18 months), the 1TB models seem to be doing better based on forum posts. However that may be due to the fact that they haven't been out as long and/or there aren't as many in the wild.

    The bottom line is that it sounds like the Expander hard drive is failing. That's unfortunate but it happens. In your case trying to make a copy of the Expander probably isn't practical. It will be best to move any non-protected recordings you or your mom can't live without to a computer (or other TiVo) ASAP then properly divorce the eSATA drive and replace it with a new one. Then you can move the recordings back and life will go on. Just to be sure TiVo is behaving after divorcing the Expander, I would let it run for a couple of weeks w/o an Expander attached. That way you'll know if something else is going on.

    Hope that helps and feel free to get some clarification or ask some more questions.

    BTW...you're a good son. :)
     
  16. May 20, 2010 #5876 of 10248
    Keen

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    My 1TB lasted a whole 7 months before dying. The drive itself went bad.
     
  17. May 20, 2010 #5877 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well, that's not good news. Hopefully we won't see more 1TB problems cropping up. I was hoping that WD made some improvements over the 500GB models, but I guess only time will tell. Thanks for the data point though! :up:
     
  18. May 20, 2010 #5878 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...the Western Digital GP drives have the quietest specs of course, but IIRC you'd still need a PC to modify or disable the Intellipark feature...and if you had that you could adjust the AAM to make it even more quiet. But if you can live with the soft reboot issue and find the sound level acceptable I'd go with the WD20EADS. Otherwise I'd find a quiet Hitachi or Seagate drive (in that order...I used to be a Seagate man, but they've had so many issues since acquiring Maxtor).

    No way to bribe someone with a PC eh?
     
  19. May 20, 2010 #5879 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    If anyone here (in or near Tucson) ever needs access to a Windows PC with empty SATA ports to run WinMFS, wdidle, AAM tools, etc feel free to PM me to arrange for a visit. Bring your hard drive(s), of course, and if you happen to have a couple of beers in your hand when you arrive, all the better!
     
  20. May 20, 2010 #5880 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Wow...how generous...and only two beers? What a deal!! :up: ;)
     

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