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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 11, 2010 #5801 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It looks like the reviewers that were disapointed with the drive's performance were using them in a "normal" computer environment. Although variable, these are basically 5400RPM drives which are perfectly fine in TiVo. There are probably hundreds of them being used by TCF members with very positive feedback so I wouldn't hesitate to use one.

    True, although IIRC someone created a useable image on a USB thumb drive.

    The WD10EVDS is a dedicated A/V drive so there would be no need to adjust the AAM (it's already very quiet). There are a number of folks using them here...it would be just fine. :up:
     
  2. May 11, 2010 #5802 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    It's unlikely that a bad expander could somehow cause physical damage to your internal drive. Most likely it just needs to be imaged with working software.

    But I think you're much better off going with a larger capacity internal replacement, so it's perhaps a moot point.
     
  3. May 11, 2010 #5803 of 10248
    shrike4242

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    I think I'll run with that option as the drive for the replacement, since I'm wary of the internal drive at the moment, even though it passed the KS 54 overnight SMART tests.

    I haven't reconnected the DVR Expander, since I want to test it with Lifeguard Tools before I decide on what to do with it, though I wouldn't expect the entire Now Playing List to disappear when I divorced the DVR Expander from the Tivo.

    The odd thing is that it kept trying to install the system update for 11.0g every time I rebooted, and I guess it finally finished the job, since the Tivo HD appears to be working OK at the moment. It started recording last night, so I'm surprised it's in that state at the moment, though I still don't trust the drive, which is why I'm working towards the replacement. I'll still test the drive again with KS 57 or KS 58 to make sure it's valid, and if so, I'll use that to expand out to the new drive. If not, then I'll just get an InstantCake ISO image from DVRUpgrade.com.
     
  4. May 11, 2010 #5804 of 10248
    SoFlaGuy

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    Just got an email from CompUSA that they have the WD20EARS for $109 after rebate, has anyone used this with the Brovfloski image on a Series 3? (TCD648250b)
     
  5. May 11, 2010 #5805 of 10248
    cr33p

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    That image is only for a 652160, not a 648250, there was never a 1tb version of that model, so I think we wont see a hybrid image like that?
     
  6. May 11, 2010 #5806 of 10248
    SoFlaGuy

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    I thought that too, but in post 5477, another poster stated:

    The post clearly states he upgraded a used THD, which can only be a TCD648250B.
     
  7. May 11, 2010 #5807 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Yeah, and a THD is a tcd652160 unit, not a series 3 tcd648250 unit. You want to try to use it in a older series 3 unit right? If so I dont believe it will work, I have the image myself and have tested it on my TivoHD 652160 unit and it works perfectly
     
  8. May 11, 2010 #5808 of 10248
    SoFlaGuy

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    Yep, I want to upgrade the THX (TCD648250) and not my HD, which was upgraded to a 1TB already.

    I sent a PM to the other poster to clarify which unit he meant.
     
  9. May 11, 2010 #5809 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Well you could always try :)
     
  10. May 11, 2010 #5810 of 10248
    T1V0

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    nope

    648 = original S3
    652 = tivohd
    658 = tivohdxl
     
  11. May 11, 2010 #5811 of 10248
    cr33p

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    From my understanding this new image is a mix between a 652 image and a 658 image, the 658 had a 1tb from the factory this is why it can be upgraded to a 2tb, the older s3 only had a 250, so it can only be upgraded to a 1.25 tb, you could still use a 1.5 drive but cant use all the space
     
  12. May 11, 2010 #5812 of 10248
    jppowers

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    Oh Oh, that should read 2TB

    JP
     
  13. May 11, 2010 #5813 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately anything recorded after you first connected your eSATA drive is lost once it's been divorced. The reason being that whenever an eSATA drive is connected to TiVo (first time or fifth) it's automatically formatted and all of the existing data is wiped.

    That sounds more like an image data corruption problem. It's possible that when v11.0g was downloaded that there was a checksum error. That can be caused by any number of things from their network to your network to bad sectors on your hard drive, it's hard to say. TiVo will continue to download and try to install an update until it's fully and correctly installed. If it's booting up okay now it sounds like it has a stable OS boot partition so you should be safe using it to image a new drive.

    KS57 and/or 58 won't actually "tell you" anything. They simply attempt to correct data corruption and if needed isolate bad sectors on the hard drive. Only KS54 is capable of returning some minor go/no go test results and even it isn't infallible.

    I'd go with using your existing drive to image a new one and if for some reason that doesn't work out you can always use Instant Cake. The downside is that IC will basically make your TiVo "new" so you'd need to get your cable card paired again and such.

    In any case, happy upgrading and let us know how it goes!
     
  14. May 11, 2010 #5814 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    No, it's a drive I built from my own S3 drive/backup.
     
  15. May 11, 2010 #5815 of 10248
    shrike4242

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    I always thought that content recorded before the DVR Expander was connected would still remain, though I guess not. :eek: Oh well.

    See, that's what concerns me, that if this was nothing more than a fracked up system update, I'm going to be more than a little irritated with the situation. Especially since I divorced the DVR Expander, thinking it was dead/dying and causing issues with the internal drive as well.

    After I ran the KS57 on the drive pairing the first time, it did lose some shows off of the Now Playing List, so I'm thinking that something wasn't right and the KS57 seemed to fix it.

    I believe the download did come down OK, since the Tivo didn't seem to do anything about trying to re-download it, though I think that the root partition was screwed up and at some point in the mess when this happened, I did a KS52 to try and force the reinstall to the alternate root partition to try and recover from it.

    The update did seem to work, repeatedly, though it kept trying to do the install when it did reboot repeatedly.

    I think that if I run another KS57 on the drive, having tested OK with the overnight SMART test from the KS54, I think that you're right and the drive appears to be OK.

    I'll stick the DVR expander on my HTPC in the basement, since it has an eSATA port and see what Lifeguard Tools says about the drive. If it reports it as bad, it'll get tossed. If it's good, then I can only wonder about it. :confused:

    I'm still toying with the drive upgrade idea, mainly to get rid of the DVR Expander, though I'd hate to toss it if it still is working according to WD.
     
  16. May 11, 2010 #5816 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes that is correct, anything recorded before the expansion drive was attached will remain intact. That's why I said "...anything recorded after you first connected your eSATA drive is lost..."

    Actually if it tried to install the update repeatedly after rebooting (repeatedly) that probably means that it didn't work...until it booted up normally that is.

    Note that the drive itself may be fine, it may be the enclosure that's the problem. Others have found that the drive worked with a PC, but would no longer work with TiVo.

    Let us know what you end up doing and how it goes.
     
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    richsadams

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  19. May 15, 2010 #5819 of 10248
    Boso_zuku

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    Looks like Newegg has the same thing with for 119 shipped with promo code (HITACHI2TB):
    http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145276
    I think the Fry's deal is in-store only.

    Hard drive question. Just to be clear here.. the intellipark issue for newer WD drives is no longer an issue if you use the widdle software to disable it, right? Just want to confirm that pretty much any WD drive can now be used?
    How about the WD20EARS with the 64mb buffer?
     
  20. May 15, 2010 #5820 of 10248
    yukit

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    Probably not all models, but I believe WD20EARS works fine with the widdle fix. I just received a WD20EARS from Newegg. I will find out for myself ;)

    I think I will pickup the Hitachi drive as a backup. I can always use the WD20EARS in my NAS if it doesn't work for any reason.
     

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