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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 30, 2010 #5741 of 10284
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Sorry to hear about your loss as well...but glad to hear that things are working even better than before. 15 months for a hard drive is pretty sad...WD should be embarrassed. It is frustrating that Cableco's won't let you read them the numbers. Some cableco's are pretty progressive and will let you do that, but others really need to catch up with the times.

    Enjoy!
     
  2. Apr 30, 2010 #5742 of 10284
    Phantom Gremlin

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    This was also my experience. When my expander went south it also corrupted the software on my internal drive. My box would no longer boot, with or without an expander attached.
     
  3. Apr 30, 2010 #5743 of 10284
    MPSAN

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    ...and Rich would not drive over and give you an image? :D
     
  4. May 1, 2010 #5744 of 10284
    jlb

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    Looking forward to doing my first upgrade today. Off to soccer first and then I start the process.


    Interestingly, I had been experiencing about 1 or maybe 2 freeze/reboots a day/night. But last night, while trying to watch 2 programs, I had 4 reboots/freezes. It's a good thing my drive came from Newegg so fast. I don't think I would have made it to next weekend (of course, I would have just pulled the Expander, but I digress).
     
  5. May 1, 2010 #5745 of 10284
    sasmps

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    Considering the rating for this drive is a '7' (quiet), is it necessary to run the Hitachi Tools and set the AAM to 128?
     
  6. May 1, 2010 #5746 of 10284
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    How important is it to use a drive that is designed for A-V use?
     
  7. May 1, 2010 #5747 of 10284
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    As far as I know, AAM is already enabled on the Cinemastar drives.
     
  8. May 1, 2010 #5748 of 10284
    jlb

    jlb Go Pats!

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    Upgrade success! 157 Hours!!! Yayy!!!

    The Hitachi 31000 drive I used is a Deskstar series and is listed in the top of the FAQ as a good drive to use.

    I left the AAM where it was and did not change it. I can hear it, but in my room, maybe only during very quiet moments in a show will I notice it. I can always go back and change it if I want.

    My first ever upgrade went smoothly. Many thanks again go to Rich Adams for his help during the decision making process and all.

    And yes Rich, I can now say "well that was easy" (thanks for lending the phrase Staples).
     
  9. May 1, 2010 #5749 of 10284
    bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Congrats. It's a great feeling isn't it? I've had Hitachi drives in both of my TiVos for over 2 years now. Work like a charm. :up:
     
  10. May 1, 2010 #5750 of 10284
    jlb

    jlb Go Pats!

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    Yes, it is a great feeling. And me being as anal as I am, I have 5 copies of my image: the original drive, a copy on my pc, a copy on my pc's external drive, and 2 CD copies. Excessive?

    I am just glad I know how easy it now is and that if I have any problems down the road, help is just one hard drive away.
     
  11. May 1, 2010 #5751 of 10284
    cjgadd3

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    As long as we're sharing success stories, after a long procrastination, I upgraded the drive in my HD to a 500 GB Seagate. Followed the instructions on page 1 and went smooth as silk. Total time including transferring "my now playing" list was about an hour and a half. Went from 20 hours to 76 hours (HD).
     
  12. May 1, 2010 #5752 of 10284
    richsadams

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    Wowee! All these new members of the TCF "Supersized" Club...kind of brings a tear to my eye. ;)

    Congrats guys and enjoy!! :)
     
  13. May 1, 2010 #5753 of 10284
    richsadams

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    It's not. A/V dedicated drives are quiet because as mentioned, they already have the AAM set low. They also have a number of other features that for better or worse TiVo can't take advantage of. For that reason they often command a higher price.

    The bottom line is to stick with one of the recommended hard drives in the FAQ and you'll be in good shape.
     
  14. May 1, 2010 #5754 of 10284
    Keen

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    After a mere 7 months, my 1TB MyDVR Expander started having issues. Time to order some new hardware to replace my Tivo HD's internal drive. :) Am I reading the FAQ correctly, my non-XL Tivo HD can have a 1TB internal drive and a 1TB external drive? I think I'll be going for that.
     
  15. May 2, 2010 #5755 of 10284
    richsadams

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    That's correct. Happy upgrading!
     
  16. May 3, 2010 #5756 of 10284
    Keen

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    Snagged a 1TB WD Green drive at Best Buy today. Followed the steps in the FAQ (except for the wdidle stuff), and I'm up and running. Instead of burning the wdidle files to a disk, I used UNetbootin to make a USB flash drive into a FreeDOS boot disk. I copied over the wdidle.exe file, and rebooted. The wdidle.exe was on the "C:\" drive, and I ran it per the instructions in the FAQ. Now I've got 157 hours of HD recording to fill up again! :D In a few weeks I'll get an external 1TB drive setup so I won't have to worry about space... for a month or two, hehe.

    Got it started up just in time for the new episodes of Treme and Breaking Bad to start recording.
     
  17. May 3, 2010 #5757 of 10284
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Drives with firmware meant for RAID applications do something WD calls Time Limited Error Recovery. I believe the same general idea is in A/V drives. Most people would rather the drive give up quickly in trying to read data (even if this means the screen displays garbage for a second or two), rather than retrying for seconds or even minutes.

    Having said all that, I still chose to live dangerously by buying a non A/V, non RAID application Hitachi drive.
     
  18. May 4, 2010 #5758 of 10284
    jlib

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    Yes, the TLER of an enterprise RAID drive is like the lazy error correction mode of an AV drive but TLER, if enabled, is always on. The RAID controller is assumed to be in charge of error recovery. You can use an enterprise RAID drive (assuming you have one quiet enough) in a TiVo but there is not the normal error recovery one might want for important data such as your operating system or your season pass database. I have used one (because it was free) for several years to no ill effect, though. There is also a WD utility that lets you disable it on drives that are capable of TLER so a RAID drive can act as a normal drive. Edit: The link you provided says they no longer make that utility available nor recommend its use on current models (probably due more to marketing stratification rather than technical issues).

    An AV drive's error correction is dependent upon commands received from the host before each request. The idea of the AV drive is that error recovery is turned down for the streaming (non-critical information) but turned on for operating system functions. The TiVo doesn't speak that language (at least the Series 3 ones) so the drive behaves normally and the only advantage to using such a drive is its detuned seek performance which means one does not have to manually set the AAM level.
     
  19. May 4, 2010 #5759 of 10284
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Wow. I had no idea that A/V drives are sophisticated enough to provide the capability to dynamically change their recovery strategy. Too bad TiVo doesn't take advantage of that.
     
  20. May 5, 2010 #5760 of 10284
    rcamille

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    Can anyone tell me if WinMFS works with a Windows 7 64 Bit operating system? I have upgraded a couple of TiVo HD's in the past using my WinXP computer, but now a buddy of mine wants his TiVoHD upgraded and all of my computers are running Windows 7 64 bit.

    Any feedback woudl be appreciated.

    Thanks
     

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