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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 27, 2010 #5701 of 10248
    Jonathan_S

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    Yeah, you can't move the full drive between TiVo (succesfully) because to resolve the HW error you have to clear & delete a drive after transfering it to a new TiVo.

    But if you're doing the drive upgrade yourself using the WinMFS tools there is an option to copy a TiVo drive, including all recordings and settings, to the new larger drive.


    And if you're using a drive image or purchasing a plug-and-play preimaged drive upgrade, rather than WinMFS, there are still a couple options for saving your shows.

    You could certainly use TiVo desktop to copy the shows from TiVo A to your computer, then upgrade TiVo A and transfer them back. (Well, depending on how your cable provider set the copy protection bits. Some shows may not be transferable).

    Or, assuming suffient space in TiVo B, you could:
    1) transfer the shows from TiVo A to TiVo B (using Multi-Room Viewing)
    2) upgrade the drive in TiVo A
    3) tranfer the shows TiVo B back to TiVo A
    (Same copy restriction limitations apply, but copies between TiVo are usually faster than copies between a TiVo and PC.)
     
  2. Apr 27, 2010 #5702 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    D'oh. I forgot about Fleabay, but it's certainly an option. So there are 2, no ... 3, no ... 4 different ways to upgrade:

    Weaknees
    DVRupgrade
    DIY using WinMFS
    one or more sellers on eBay

    Sometimes it's nice to have choices. If only it were that easy to upgrade disks on iMacs.
     
  3. Apr 27, 2010 #5703 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Yes, Clear & Delete Everything after booting is very important. Without it the TiVo will appear to sort of work, but that's just a patina, it will be fundamentally broken.

    Yes that works, but copying from a TiVo HD it's slower than real-time. So copying 30 hours of HD can take an entire weekend (don't ask how I know that!). Perhaps with the GP poster's original S3 it will be faster.
     
  4. Apr 27, 2010 #5704 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    It just seemed an easy way to preserve the recordings. You got it right. I understand, and suspected the HD becomes tied to the unit. With multiple TiVos in the house, I'll take my time moving recordings around to free up the S3 to install the new drive. Instant Cake took 3 minutes, and the software you pointed me to, seconds. Thanks again. I'm set for now.
     
  5. Apr 27, 2010 #5705 of 10248
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    Oh, I bet the TiVo folks love that!

    Is there a way to supersize without Windows/WinMFS? (Mac user here.)

    Any chance of seeing the supersize script so it can be replicated outside of WinMFS?
     
  6. Apr 27, 2010 #5706 of 10248
    richsadams

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    From your lips to Mr. Job's ears. ;)
     
  7. Apr 27, 2010 #5707 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...I don't think so. Although some enterprising person could probably figure it out, but the somewhat minuscule gain probably wouldn't be worth it.
     
  8. Apr 27, 2010 #5708 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Cool. :up:
     
  9. Apr 27, 2010 #5709 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    There was a script posted years ago over at DDB called mkdiskconfig.tcl which basically did the same thing. I used it on several Series 2 DirecTivos before WinMFS ever existed, but I'm not sure about its compatibility with Series 3s. And I suppose you'd probably have to have a prom mod'd Series 3 to use it anyway, so it's most likely not very useful to most folks here.
     
  10. Apr 28, 2010 #5710 of 10248
    jlb

    jlb NCC-1701-D

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    Newegg Rocks! They continue to amaze me with great customer service.

    I live in Newburyport, MA and their warehouse (perhaps they have more than 1, dunno) appears to be in NJ.

    I ordered my Hitachi 1TB drive and Thermaltake SATA USB doc yesterday at about 2pm. I chose the 3-5 day shipping, which was free on both items.

    Well, the package is already "out for delivery" as of 7am from my "local" UPS hub.

    HFC!!!!

    Looks like I will be doing my first upgrade ever this weekend. Yay!
     
  11. Apr 28, 2010 #5711 of 10248
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    What is the deal with ".tcl" scripts? I've seen references to such scripts and the person making the reference always seems to assume the readers know how to apply such scripts.

    I think I was interested in one such that fixed the "error 51" problem. But I haven't a clue how one runs such scripts. Where might I find info on these?
     
  12. Apr 28, 2010 #5712 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    It is just a TEXT file that you can double click in Windows. Actually, you can Google windows tcl and get all you need/want to know about them.

    Here is one place...

    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/tcl-faq/tk/windows/

    It is an old listing, but still gives good data and a google search can give you the software you need to run the tcl if you need it.
     
  13. Apr 28, 2010 #5713 of 10248
    Zugig

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    Trying to upgrade a Series3 to a 1.5TD WD drive with WinMFS. First time it worked okay, seeing both the old and new drives and allegedly moving my shows as instructed. But once installed in the S3, it did the same thing the old drive did - failing to completely boot up and hanging in Now Playing. I thought I'd do the C&DE transfer instead but this time WinMFS could only see the new drive, not the old WD250. I've tried switching them around but cannot get the former drive recognized. Any ideas what might have changed to make it invisible to WinMFS?
    BTW, is a 1.5TB drive okay? I know there used to be a 1TB limit, but I need all the space I can get.
    Thanks,
    Z
     
  14. Apr 28, 2010 #5714 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sorry to hear that you're having problems with your TiVo and the upgrade. It sounds like the OS image on your original hard drive has become corrupted...possibly to the point that it can no longer be used. I would try reinstalling your original hard drive in your TiVo and running some of TiVo's built-in diagnostic and repair programs called "Kickstarts":

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    If that doesn't do it you may need to buy a fresh image using a third-party program called Instant Cake:

    http://www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/stores/1/instantcake.cfm

    Unfortunately that will create what is basically a brand new TiVo so none of your recordings, cable card pairing, etc. would be saved.

    With regard to using drives larger than 1TB, read through the FAQ, specifically Section IV, #31.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  15. Apr 28, 2010 #5715 of 10248
    jjberger2134

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    I am ready to order my drive for my TiVoHD upgrade. I just want to confirm with someone (maybe Richsadams or someone that recently and successfully upgraded their drive) that this is the proper drive to buy:

    Hitachi 1 TB Deskstar SATA 7200 RPM 32 MB Cache Internal Hard Drive HD31000 IDK/7K - Retail

    I have decided to run AAM on the Hitachi Drive rather than mess around with Intellipark settings on the WD drives.

    Additionally, I believe this drive comes with a SATA cable, but not a molex power connector, right?

    Any reason NOT to buy this drive? The only additional item I need to buy is the molex power connector?

    Thanks!
     
  16. Apr 28, 2010 #5716 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, that's the right drive (the drive in the box is a Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.c). Yes the retail kit you listed comes with a SATA cable but not a molex power adapter. I have two of those drives in an NAS and they run very quiet and cool. I didn't change the AAM of course, but if you do it should be even quieter.

    If you don't have an open SATA power lead coming out of your computer's power supply you can certainly use a molex SATA power adapter like this one (or this one if you need to split the power between two drives, one SATA and one IDE). However if your computer is fairly recent and the CD/DVD drive is SATA you could borrow that power connector.

    So it sounds like your all set to roll. Happy upgrading!
     
  17. Apr 28, 2010 #5717 of 10248
    jjberger2134

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    Thanks Rich. But if I understand correctly, I will need to power 3 drives simultaneously in the PC while I do the upgrade (stock TiVo drive, new Hitachi upgrade drive, and main PC drive). I checked the insides the other day of my 6 month old HP PC, and found that the CD/DVD drive has a SATA cable and SATA power cable just like you mention, but all the other power connectors in the box are the 4 pin molex type (see picture - black connector is to DVD and white one is spare).

    So yes, I could borrow the CD/DVD connectors for 1 drive, but would need another set of cables for the other drive. Right?

    And, since I am buying the drive from Amazon, I thought I would buy their power adapter...
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027AGK3M/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
     

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  18. Apr 28, 2010 #5718 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah yes, if you're intending to save settings and recordings you'd need both your original TiVo drive and your new drive connected to your computer and powered up at the same time. Since your computer's drive is already powered that adapter should work just fine to deliver power to the other two.
     
  19. Apr 28, 2010 #5719 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Hey all, just to confirm I recently installed a new WD15EARS into my S3
    TCD648250, installed stock image no disabling of intellipark and have had no software reboot issues. :) Looks like thes drives are a go, I will also test in a TivoHD unit as well

    WD15EARS Build Date March 19th 2010
     
  20. Apr 28, 2010 #5720 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That is good news indeed. Hopefully someone will be able to try out one of the more recent WD GP 1TB drives as well. To be clear, you used your stock TiVo image, not the special 1.5TB/2.TB image correct?

    Thanks for that! :up:
     

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