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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 26, 2010 #5681 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Oh, okay, I see your point, my mistake. There's certainly a difference between rebooting from a menu restart (soft reboot) Vs a unexpected hard reboot of some sort (power failure, etc.) However I'm not sure that's what you meant by a "crash". As long as the WD rebooted properly from a menu restart that only means it doesn't have the Intellipark soft reboot problem. Whether one hard drive will reboot after a failure better than another hasn't ever come up AFAIK. Interesting thought, but if that were true we probably would have seen some sort of long-term correlation in various posts over the years. That said, those sorts of reboots are fairly rare so there may not be enough data to say one way or another. Interesting thought though.
     
  2. Apr 26, 2010 #5682 of 10248
    jlb

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    I have been having freeze/reboot issues lately. Could it be this 11g (?) software causing any issues? I would doubt it.

    I have a TiVoHD with a 500gb expander and using the Siig cable.

    Something must be going bad. Regardless of if it is the Expander or the original drive, I am toying with getting an upgrade drive.

    Weakknees or DVR?

    Do I try changing out the Siig cable first? Do i divorce the expander (Would like to wait until after finale season if possible)? Etc.

    Not sure the best course of action........
     
  3. Apr 26, 2010 #5683 of 10248
    jlb

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    It just seems weird that the problems I have been experiencing are so recent and close in timing to this 11.0.g update........
     
  4. Apr 26, 2010 #5684 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Your third choice would be to follow the steps in the 1st post of this FAQ and go the WinMFS route and a bare drive.

    It's all anecdotal evidence. Mine happens to be competely different. I had lots of problems with the previous software. I suspected my problems were due to bad MyDVR expanders. I then replaced the old internal drives and expanders with new, higher capacity internal drives. Since then I haven't had problems, even after my boxes updated themselves to the 11.0.g software.
     
  5. Apr 27, 2010 #5685 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Agree with Phantom, it's not likely v11.0g is causing your TiVo any problems. Historically there are always reports of issues right after an update but this time it has been surprisingly quiet.

    Based on your description the most likely culprit is your eSATA drive. Have a look at this post to see if anything fits and your options...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    I also agree that if you're going to upgrade your internal drive DIY is the way to go if you're comfortable connecting a hard drive to a PC. Everything you need to know is in the first post of this sticky thread. It looks a little complicated, but once you do it, it's really quite easy. Otherwise DVRUpgrade and others have pre-imaged drives you can drop in. (DVRUpgrade is a TCF sponsor BTW)

    Best of luck and let us know how things go!
     
  6. Apr 27, 2010 #5686 of 10248
    jlb

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    I might consider the DIY route but I do like the idea of a drop in. My only concern with drop in is possibly having to repair my M series cable card, right? Or does that info get written to some mem on the MB (which I doubt)?

    I am ok with having to redo the rest of GS and setting up my SPs again. I assume I might also have to re-enable my remote address and things like stereo equipment power codes, amazon vod password, etc.

    I see both DVR Upgrade and Weakknees are sponsors. How do I choose which one if I go that route? Right now, it seems DVR is a tad cheaper....

    Also, is it worth just trying a new enclosure for the WD expander first?

    Rich, if possible, can we have an email dialog on this as I cannot get to the forum at my client's offices? Thanks!
     
  7. Apr 27, 2010 #5687 of 10248
    Nihilator

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    Well, I thought I'd have something relevant to add, but the drive I'm using has turned out to be older than March 2010. In any event:

    Tivo HD with original drive, 11.0g software. Purchased a retail-boxed 1.5TB WD15000CSRTL drive from Best Buy for $99, which turns out to be a WD15EARS, build date of 15 DEC 2009. Used a Cavalry dual-dock and WinMFS (beta 9.3f) to perform the backup and restore/copy (which took about 4.5 hours), and I'm now sitting on 198 HD / 1733 SD hours.

    I'm also at 10 minutes and counting on the "Welcome! Powering up..." screen after a soft-reset, so Intellipark is still an issue.

    It doesn't bother me. I don't have a PC with SATA capability, and the incremental cost and trouble of finding and installing an adapter (in my old IDE PC) is more than just performing a power cycle every four to six months. Plus, eventually someone will make a utility that I can use with the SATA dock to change the Intellipark parameters, so I'll just wait it out.

    --Chris

    PS - Ignore the signature. I was very active here way back in the day!
     
  8. Apr 27, 2010 #5688 of 10248
    aclinml

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    Hi, guys. Great forum. I just completed my internal hard drive upgrade, and all is well except one minor thing. I was able to get the Hitachi 1 TB drive on the sale for $69.

    I did the upgrade to copy all settings and programs. Like I said, everything went fine. After the copy was completed, I did get the next message..."Do you want to expand the drive?". I replied yes, and it came right back and said "Done". I powered the PC down and took the new drive and installed it in my TIVO HD. It came right up and my "Now Playing" list was complete with my original recordings. The only problem is, when I look at the Settings, Account information page, it only shows 142 HD hours of recording space.

    How come it did not show the expected 157 hours?

    Should I hook it back up to my PC as drive A and select "MfsSupersize On"?

    Any ideas why this did not appear to get the extra 15 hours????

    Thanks for any help,
    Mike
     
  9. Apr 27, 2010 #5689 of 10248
    SugarBowl

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    yes, the supersize is an extra step that you have to do manually.
     
  10. Apr 27, 2010 #5690 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Mike and congrats on your "new" TiVo! The Supersize option is a pop-up window that should have appeared when you clicked on it (if you followed the steps correctly). Unfortunately there seems to be a little bug that allows that pop-up to open behind the main winMFS window so you may not have seen it. (I always set the winMFS window a little to one side of the screen to be sure I see any pop-ups).

    It's a simple matter of reconnecting your new drive to your PC, firing up winMFS once more and selecting Supersize from the drop-down menu to get the full amount of space though. It won't affect anything else and you should be good to go.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  11. Apr 27, 2010 #5691 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for that...good info in any case. :up:
     
  12. Apr 27, 2010 #5692 of 10248
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    Unfortunately if you buy a third-party hard drive it would be the same as buying a brand new TiVo, you'll have to deal with cable card setup, etc. BTW some cableco's will allow you to call in the cable card info to pair them, others are not so progressive and require a truck roll.

    I think you're talking about the codes to turn your stereo and TV on/off, etc.? If so, that info is stored in your TiVo remote, so it will still work normally.

    Based on about a year's worth of posts now it seems like it's about 50/50 with respect to the WD My DVR Expander failures being an actual hard drive Vs enclosure problem. A number of folks have been able to pull the hard drive out of their Expander, slip it into a new enclosure and be back in business. Others haven't been so lucky.

    AFAIK Weaknees isn't a TCF sponsor, they just advertise here (although being a TC Club Member, I don't see any ads). I believe only DVRUpgrade is an actual sponsor and FWIW the owner is a great guy. My loyalty lies with those that support "us", but I know they are both reputable companies and take good care of their customers.

    Best of luck and feel free to PM me with your e-mail if you have any questions.
     
  13. Apr 27, 2010 #5693 of 10248
    dswallow

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    Go by price. Weaknees bought DVR Upgrade so you're buying from the same company, no matter which site you do it from. Personally I'd buy from someone on eBay. I'm not a Weaknees fan.
     
  14. Apr 27, 2010 #5694 of 10248
    jlb

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    I have always tinkered with computers but for whatever reason, nervous as heck about doing an upgrade. My hand is being forced now due to my apparently starting to die 500gb Expander.

    With much thanks to Rich Adams I am taking the plunge and taking the expander out of the loop and doing an internal upgrade.

    I too am going with the Hitachi 1tb drive. I ordered the drive and a Sata USB dock rather than opening my PC up.

    This is something I should have done a long time ago, but better late than never.

    And again, Rich, thanks for the hand-holding during this part of the process!!!
     
  15. Apr 27, 2010 #5695 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    Thank you for your kindness Rich. I got the image and see it boots up the PC.

    One (dumb) question - I have two Series 3 TiVos (the THX model). Can I install the drive into TiVo B, transfer all programs from A to B and then put that drive into TiVo A? i.e. can drives set up in same model TiVos be moved around and keep their programing?
    If not, I can do a move to a computer and then load back up, as if I owned just the one TiVo. Just asking as I'm sure this has come up before. Somewhere.
     
  16. Apr 27, 2010 #5696 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Really? I did not know that. :confused: I have to start paying closer attention to these things. :eek:
     
  17. Apr 27, 2010 #5697 of 10248
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    Glad to help and give back as it were. You can buy me a virtual beer when all is said and done. :)
     
  18. Apr 27, 2010 #5698 of 10248
    aclinml

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    Thanks, Guys. Don't know how I missed it during the copy, but I hooked my hard drive back up to my computer, did the Supersize, and now I'm the proud parent of a 157 pound....uh, hour TIVO HD. Finally, I don't have to review my programs and schedule before going out of town for a few days.

    I really appreciate those who keep the 'Upgrade' thread up to date with info on drives that will work on the different boxes.

    OK, I'm off to do some recording!
    Mike
     
  19. Apr 27, 2010 #5699 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Not a dumb question at all. I'm not sure about your plans though. If you mean, can you upgrade TiVo "A", then transfer all of the recordings on TiVo "B" to the "new" TiVo "A", that would be a yes. But if you mean can you do the above and then put the new TiVo "A" drive in TiVo "B" I don't believe so as IIRC it would give you a hardware conflict message. I'm not clear about why you'd want to do that, but I hope that helps or maybe I misunderstood your question altogether...wouldn't be the first time. Happy upgrading!
     
  20. Apr 27, 2010 #5700 of 10248
    txporter

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    While the drive will technically work in either Tivo, when switching from one Tivo to the other, you will be required to do a Clear and Delete Everything since the Tivo will recognize that it came from a different unit (serial number??). That will defeat your ability to move recording around.
     

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