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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 22, 2010 #5641 of 10248
    filmont

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    Just though I'd post my experience on the up grade. It's going to be a little long winded so hold on!
    1. Bought Series 3 on ebay w/o HDD

    2. Instantcaked a random 320GB HDD with no problems. (mounted HDD and CDROM to sata expansion card)

    3. Bought the Hitachi 3100 1TB from Newegg (during their $70 sale)

    4. Used WinMFS to upgrade the new disk.
    a) Made a truncated backup of the 320GB drive with a NexStar - 3 external case (made by Vantec)
    b) Swapped the 1TB and did a restore. (forgot to supersize it but did it later w/o any problems)

    5. Booted the Tivo with new drive. After the "few minutes more" screen it green screened. I left it alone and it kept rebooting and getting to that point and repeating quickly. After about the 8th reboot it stayed on the green screen for much longer. It took about an hour on the last green screen but after that success!

    Please feel free to contact me with questions.
     
  2. Apr 22, 2010 #5642 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Congratulations on your "new" TiVo! Odd that it went through several reboots though, that's not normal. When you say "green screen" do you mean that the MFS Assert screen (often known as the GSOD) appeared? It looks like this...

    http://i16.tinypic.com/4pwebmx.jpg

    Or was it actually a green screen with no text?

    The GSOD will generally appear when TiVo encounters data corruption of some nature. The program works to resolve the corruption and isolate any bad sectors on the hard drive (if they exist). Things should go normally but if you run into any issues going forward it might be wise to run a diagnostic on your new drive to be sure it doesn't have any problems.

    Enjoy!
     
  3. Apr 22, 2010 #5643 of 10248
    filmont

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    Yeah, it was the GSOD. I thought about pulling the plug on it, but I figured I'd let do its thing. It's my second Tivo so I didn't need it right away.
     
  4. Apr 22, 2010 #5644 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Wise move...always avoid pulling the plug during a GSOD! Enjoy all of that new real estate!
     
  5. Apr 22, 2010 #5645 of 10248
    filmont

    filmont New Member

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    Oh, I will! Just waiting for the warranty to end on my TivoHD and then that one is going to upgraded.
     
  6. Apr 22, 2010 #5646 of 10248
    bubagump

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    It finally rebooted. Thanks Rich for your reply or I would have been pulling at all sorts of cables looking at that screen.
     
  7. Apr 22, 2010 #5647 of 10248
    richsadams

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    :up:
     
  8. Apr 23, 2010 #5648 of 10248
    brettatk

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    I've upgraded several Tivos with WD drives and I've never adjusted the AAM. They have all been very quiet right out of the box.
     
  9. Apr 23, 2010 #5649 of 10248
    Jonathan_S

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    It depends on which TiVo you're upgrading and how you perform the upgrade.

    For the newest Tivos, the Premieres, the publicly avalible upgrade tool (WinMFS) doesn't support them yet. To upgrade one of them you'd need to buy a pre-imaged drive and I believe those are avalible up to 2 TB.

    The S3 family (TiVo S3, TiVo HD, TiVo HD XL) have a partition size limitation that causes issues with the upgrade tools. (A single partition much bigger that 1 TB causes errors). So because of the way the public upgrade tools work the max workable drive size depends on which TiVo you started with. * With the TiVo HD you're basically stuck with a 1 TB drive using WinMFS.
    (Note, there's a new upgrade technique for the TiVo HD using the "Broflovski image" that will allow you to get to 2 TB)
    * With the TiVo HD XL you can use up to a 2 TB drive.

    For the old S2 TiVos I'm not sure. They probably have the same partition limit as the S3 family, so I'd assume basically 1 TB or less.
     
  10. Apr 23, 2010 #5650 of 10248
    SugarBowl

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    I am going to convert a 500 gig windows drive that I have, into a Tivo drive for my series 3. Do i need to use windows disk management to first delete the windows partition? Then i will need to fix the tivo boot page? WinMfs says to guess for Option 1 or Option 2. Is there an 'educated' guess in my situation ?
     
  11. Apr 23, 2010 #5651 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    I am looking at a Western Digital. It states "Advanced Format Hard Drive" and there are some warnings on New Egg's site where the 1GB drive is listed.
    Anyone use one of these drives in their TiVo?
     
  12. Apr 23, 2010 #5652 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Can you please post a link to the specific drive (or at least a model number)?
     
  13. Apr 23, 2010 #5653 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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  14. Apr 23, 2010 #5654 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Several members are successfully using that particular drive in their TiVo's. :up:

    The reference is to WD's new 4Kb sector technology which doesn't affect TiVo.

    BTW you will need to run wdidle.exe to disable or extend the timeout of the Intellipark feature. (See Section IV, #29 of the faq).

    Happy upgrading!
     
  15. Apr 23, 2010 #5655 of 10248
    SugarBowl

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    Turns out it didn't matter. Copying the original tivo drive to a windows drive (ntfs) set up everything on the new drive perfectly.
     
  16. Apr 23, 2010 #5656 of 10248
    donnoh

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    Here's an update on using the "Broflovski" image for nearly a week now.

    The Tivo appears to be working fine, it's starting to record suggestions, I've had no hangs and it upgraded to 11.0.g just fine including re-booting during the night.

    One thing that I've noticed happen twice that I've never seen before is that I've turned my TV on twice now and the Tivo has been on the NPL. A press of the Tivo button or the Live TV button results in a bong sound. Pressing the left arrow takes me to Tivo central and everything is ok after that. I don't know if this a glitch somewhere in the image or just some anomaly. It is definitely something I can live with.
     
  17. Apr 23, 2010 #5657 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    Thanks - worst case, I can just pull plug to reboot. I'll remember to look through entire FAQ in the future.
     
  18. Apr 23, 2010 #5658 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I haven't used it, but everyone says the wdidle.exe program is very easy to run. If the Intellipark "feature" isn't disabled or extended it causes TiVo to hang at the "Welcome" screen after a soft reboot. About the only time you would notice it would be after TiVo pushes an update which usually happens about once per quarter or so. As you say you could always do a hard reboot, but again, it's apparently very easy and quick to do so if you have the drive connected to your PC, you might as well do it. Your call of course. Enjoy!
     
  19. Apr 24, 2010 #5659 of 10248
    ssolomo

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    Interesting you say this as I just finished doing an MFScopy to my new WD 10EACS and the HDDScan isn't working (the two selections under the "features" menu are grayed out and cannot be selected - where the AAM setting is). I posted a question in their forum but it probably is because the drive is connected directly to the motherboard SATA controller. Really, even though it is sitting on top of a box connected to the computer, it is barely audible so I'm probably not going to mess with the Hitachi tool. The TiVo is in a cabinet (yes, ventilated) regardless.

    Thanks to all for the great info on this forum.

    Steven
     
  20. Apr 25, 2010 #5660 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hmmm. Section IV #31 of the FAQ actually discusses upgrading with 1.5TB and 2TB hard drives. Section IV, #32 of the FAQ disucsses changing hard drive AAM settings. Maybe you missed these parts?

    In any case, enjoy your upgrade!
     

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