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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 15, 2010 #5581 of 10284
    cjv2

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    I remember when we had to hand crank computers, and they had wooden drive platters that sometimes caught fire, and, and...
     
  2. Apr 15, 2010 #5582 of 10284
    richsadams

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    ROFLMAO! :D
     
  3. Apr 15, 2010 #5583 of 10284
    reubanks

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    What, you mean like these?

    View attachment 8inch1t.bmp

    Yes, these are new-in-the-box still in the shrinkwrap 8" DS-DD disks. Yes, there are two boxes there.

    I bought these about 2 weeks ago. My neighbor (that I didn't know was also a geek) was moving and had them out at a garage sale. He also had a dual floppy Mac SE along with several 286 clones and a real IBM PC-XT with a 20MB Seagate MFM Hard Drive and single 360k 5.25" floppy,
     
  4. Apr 15, 2010 #5584 of 10284
    HazelW

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    I remember when I bought my first floppy drive for my Atari 400, upgrading from cassette tape. The guy asked me if I wanted a box of five 88 Kb floppy disks. I told him I only needed one with all that storage--I thought he was trying to rip me off by trying to sell me 5!
     
  5. Apr 15, 2010 #5585 of 10284
    reubanks

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    Yeah, mine was a 10MB Micropolis full height. I used a Western Digital 1007 RLL controller to boost it to 15MB. WOO HOO!

    Just in case y'all don't remember, the original IBM PC (5 slot) would NOT support a hard drive unless you had a special controller card and even then you needed to boot from a floppy to load the drivers. This was corrected in the XT (8 slot) and later PCs after an upgraded BIOS was developed. The original BIOS was not extensible.

    Randy
    (too geek to speak)
     
  6. Apr 15, 2010 #5586 of 10284
    MPSAN

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    Yes, I had (have) a Vista Controller and I had 2 Shugart 8" soft sector floppy drives attached.
     
  7. Apr 16, 2010 #5587 of 10284
    donnoh

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    Did you live in Germany in the 60's too?
     
  8. Apr 16, 2010 #5588 of 10284
    kdzenith

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    A huge thank you to bkdtv and the Tivo Community! My original S3 HDD crashed and burned without a backup! With all the help here and a new Hitachi HDD from Newegg I have successfully brought my S3 lifetime back to life! Could not have accomplished it without all your help! Fabulous!
     
  9. Apr 16, 2010 #5589 of 10284
    donnoh

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    Isn't this a great site! I've scheduled this weekend to do a 2 TB upgrade to my Tivo HD thanks to these fine people.
    It is such a blessing to find people that devote their lives to making the Tivo experience better for the rest of us.
    I can't wait to try Mr B's image.
     
  10. Apr 16, 2010 #5590 of 10284
    MPSAN

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    What is with so many people here from the Portland area? I guess we just can't leave well enough alone!

    Anyway, I have just sold my 2nd of 3 ReplayTV's. I have had 3 THD's for 8 months now and your "S3 HDD crashed" post prompted me to ask a question I have been wondering about for Months...

    My ReplayTV units were installed, plugged in, and left alone for 5+ years...and still work. So what is TiVo doing, besides having 2 tuners that causes them to eat HDD's?
     
  11. Apr 16, 2010 #5591 of 10284
    MPSAN

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    Let us know how it goes. Frys had a 2TB drive for $125 today! I assume that the Image will not allow you to save shows...I guess it is treated as a truncated backup. I believe it will need to be cleared after it comes up. I have the Image and put it on a DVD, but wonder how you do. Will you use an Apple ][+ to do this?

    Actually, I wonder about this as 2TB drives are getting inexpensive now. Still, the 2nd one I want to update (maybe) is in our bedroom so it just has to be no louder than the stock 160GB drive in it now.
     
  12. Apr 16, 2010 #5592 of 10284
    lrhorer

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    Barefoot, with a 90 lb backpack! :D
     
  13. Apr 16, 2010 #5593 of 10284
    lrhorer

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    Well, I'm not so sure they are, really. People are going to tend to post when they have a drive problem. The majority of people who don't have any problems are going to remain silent. That said, bit densities are getting higher and higher, meaning the magnetic domains are smaller and smaller. This is going to make errors more common. Most are recoverable, but inevitably some will not be, and the rate of unrecoverable errors is going to tend to rise with an overall error rate increase. Secondly, two tuners does place a much higher load on the drive than one tuner. Every time the cache is flushed for one of the streams, it's going to force a seek to what will probably be a very different part of the disk. Thus, rather than more or less smoothly skating across the platters (incremental seeks), the heads are going to chatter continuously like a busybody's teeth in a gossiping contest. This puts a much heavier load on the head servo and the electronics that control it. Finally, the seek rate for HD content is going to be easily six times higher than for SD content.
     
  14. Apr 17, 2010 #5594 of 10284
    cjv2

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    If you play the Tivo backwards it says "cooookie, nom nom nom." :D
     
  15. Apr 17, 2010 #5595 of 10284
    donnoh

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    Well my new 2TB WD20EVDS showed up early yesterday evening and I couldn't wait to install it. Here's how it went.

    Ran wdidle3 to change the intellipark time to 300 seconds - no problems

    Installed the image - at least I thought I did, more about that later.

    Installed the new drive in the Tivo - twice, (I put it in backwards the first time), put it back in entertainment center, power it up and nada, zip, I get the gray screen right after it powers up.

    I pull it back out, crack open the case and discover that it would work better if I would have actually plugged in the drive.

    Re-install the Tivo, power it up and it comes up like a new Tivo, I run guided setup and wait for it to download the program data.

    Go to the system info screen to behold the 318 hours of HD storage and what do I see? Up to 20 whopping hours of storage space...*(^R%$#!

    Take the Tivo back out, re-install the image and this time I check the estimated number of hours and it looks to be correct this time. I'm really not sure what I did wrong the first time.

    Re-install the drive back in the Tivo, put it back in the entertainment center and power it up. Once again the gray screen, my dumb arse forgot to plug in the drive a second time! What an idiot.

    Correct my mistake, re-install the Tivo, power it up, run guided setup and FINALLY see the 318 hours of HD programming space!!!

    The one thing that I didn't expect to see work though was my Cable Card. I assume that Charter doesn't pair the cards to the device in my area. This was an unexpected surprise to not have to deal with one of their phone reps.

    Overall it went well if you throw out my stupidity. I didn't have to do a C&D everything, it just came up like a new Tivo. The only real pain was re-entering 60 season passes over again and putting in my 20 digit WPA security code.

    Thank you Mr. Broflovski!
     
  16. Apr 17, 2010 #5596 of 10284
    justen_m

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    Thanks for the laugh this morning. But, I am with you on the season pass thing. The only reason I have two Tivos is because I am way too lazy to move over 100 season passes from my S2DT to my TivoHD. Heck, I'd buy a Premiere if it let me manage season passes on a single machine.
     
  17. Apr 17, 2010 #5597 of 10284
    jjberger2134

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    I am in the beginning stages of looking for a hard drive to put in my TiVoHD. I am pretty set on buying the Hitachi Deskstar drive that is recommended in these pages. However, when I look around I see two different Hitachi models. Does anyone know the difference between:

    Hitachi Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K and Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C

    Which is the preferred drive? I have seen both models recommended. I think the IDK/7K is the one currently on sale (only at Newegg).

    I am leaning toward the Hitachi, since it seems like it would be easier to run the AAM software than to disable the Intellipark settings on the WD drives. I would rather have a bit extra noise from the hard drive (that could possibly be quieted), than not have the drive work properly due to Intellipark. I am not experienced at all with the features of widdle or AAM, but I can follow basic technical directions. So I am guessing it is easier to buy a Hitachi and quiet the drive, rather than buy a WD and run widdle. Also, it seems more people come here and say how they messed up running widdle on a WD than messed up using AAM on the Hitachi. Am I correct in my thinking?
     
  18. Apr 17, 2010 #5598 of 10284
    donnoh

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    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the two Hitachi's are pretty much the same drive. I have one in my other Tivo and it's been chugging along for about a year and a half with no problems. I don't think you'd go wrong with either one. I would steer clear of NewEgg for hard drives unless you get one in a retail package, their packaging almost guarantees a bad or short lived drive... I know from experience. I buy all my drives from Amazon and they have great protective packaging for OEM drives.

    As far as disabling intellipark on WD drives if you can burn a CD it's pretty much a no brainer. You connect the drive to a SATA cable on the PC and boot to the CD which brings up DOS prompt, type the command and it does it's thing.

    My personal preferences lead me to the WD A/V line of drives mainly because they are almost silent and also are made for DVRs, if that really means anything, but I've convinced myself it does.
     
  19. Apr 17, 2010 #5599 of 10284
    eaayoung

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    Pardon me in advance for this off topic question. But I know this thread will answer my question...

    The HD in my iMac 24" is dying. I already tried to re-format but still getting errors and it won't boot sometimes. Has anyone on this thread replaced the HD in their iMac? How hard was it? Seems fairly straight forward from the U Tube videos I've watched.

    Any recommendations on which drive to use? The current HD is a 500 gig WD model. Quiet and fast. Was thinking to use a similar drive. But which one... Maybe the black models.
     
  20. Apr 17, 2010 #5600 of 10284
    Mchero

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    Uphill both ways!
     

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