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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 9, 2010 #5521 of 10248
    jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    Trying to do the 2TB upgrade.

    Got the image assembled and run winmfs. Delete the old format from the drive and then restore the image, allow winmfs to expand to the extra space.

    Done. Install hitachi drive in tivo and its stuck at the powering up screen. Will not boot the new drive. Ideas? What to check? The only thing I can think of a bit odd about my updgrade is that the drive is not virgin, it had previoulsy been used as a windows drive but I deleted the format using winmfs before restoring the image. Did I need to do something else to this Hitachi 32000 drive?
     
  2. Apr 9, 2010 #5522 of 10248
    jcthorne

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    Would you mind going over a few steps in your upgrade. I am trying to do the same and getting stuck at the powering up screeen.
     
  3. Apr 9, 2010 #5523 of 10248
    chrishicks

    chrishicks Tivo Junkie

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    Couldn't sleep last night so I decided to upgrade one of my stock S3s with the Hitachi HD31000 1TB drive. I did a complete copy including all shows and it took just over 3 hours to complete. Add an extra minute to adjust AAM and another 5 minutes or so to get the Tivo back together and I was up and running again.

    I did it all on Win7 Ultimate 64x and the latest WinMFS if anyone is keeping score.

    I am kicking myself for not grabbing a few extra drives now when they were on sale for 70.00 so hopefully they will hit that price again soon. I still have 2 more S3s that need to be upgraded but I need to add service on them first so I have some time to play with there.

    EDIT TO ADD: I was on "g" before the upgrade also.
     
  4. Apr 9, 2010 #5524 of 10248
    hummingbird_206

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    I just finished updating one of my S3's using the same Hitachi drive with a Win 7 PC. I had an external Expander connected, so lost all of my recordings when I did the divorce. But my drive was croaking, so I had no choice. I'm also kicking myself for not buying a second drive at the $70 price, too, to go ahead and upgrade my second S3.

    Many, many thanks to this thread, and especially bkdtv and richsadams. I couldn't have done it without this info as well as the great troubleshooting tips in the Please Help My TiVo Keeps Restarting thread.:up::up::up:
     
  5. Apr 9, 2010 #5525 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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  6. Apr 10, 2010 #5526 of 10248
    bubagump

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    I had the same problem. Make sure you are connected to active network (my modem had accidentally turned off when I was tinkering with the tivo). Also, disconnect the tuning adapter and connect the cable directly to Tivo. After these two steps the tivo with 2tb upgrade booted up normally for me.
     
  7. Apr 10, 2010 #5527 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    I see the cover is off....any secret disassembly method involved?
    Is there a thread that breaks when removing the cover?....as someone wrote.
    I'd like to be able to replace the drive when the time comes, without 'bricking' the thing.

    Thanks,
     
  8. Apr 10, 2010 #5528 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    No thread...Rich and I were just "playing" on April 1st. I actually said there was a dye pack in there. :D
     
  9. Apr 11, 2010 #5529 of 10248
    moolman

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    I'm sure this was asked many times before, sorry about that.

    My S3 hard drive died, so I replaced the original hard drive with the 1TB I had in the external. So now that's upgraded, the FAQ seems to imply that I can't use the official WD 1TB drive anymore as an external. I understand that I have the option of installing an unsupported drive and doing the whole mfs steps in the FAQ to get the thing to work. Even though I have my external antec case, I was thinking of buying the official WD since the price premium isn't too much.

    Alex
     
  10. Apr 11, 2010 #5530 of 10248
    jcthorne

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    Thanks. Already tried that. Tried again to be sure specificly. I am using OTA only, no cable but had the antenna connected as well as the network cable (and network lights were on but no traffic)

    The tivo never loads from the drive. The heads are not moving and there is no activity. Something in the config or the drive my tivo does not like.

    I could not have the tivo out of service any longer as it provides all media services to our entire house. Put my 1TB WD green drive back in and it booted right back up.

    So the upgrade did not work in my case. Have no idea if its the drive, the format or the way I applied the image or if the image itself is a problem. Hopefully the underlying method will become part of some more mainstream tools that will be published with more complete instructions. I'm pretty good with computers but have only messed with tivo on a few occaisions over the years, following instructions for a drive upgrade mostly so not all that familur with the particulars of the tivo partition tables etc. Obviously there is more to this upgrade that those 'in the know' take for granted and that I am unaware. Thanks anyway.
     
  11. Apr 11, 2010 #5531 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Alex. You read correctly. External drives cannot be added via plug and pray once the internal hard drive has been upgraded. You would have to marry the two drives using winMFS or MFStools. Since you'd need to do that I'd still recommend using your Antec MX-1. Your MX-1 is fan cooled which should extend the life of the drive and a new bare drive will give you a three-year warranty minimum. Although the 1TB My DVR Expanders seem to be doing better, the 500GB track record is pretty poor with an average 12 - 18 month lifespan.

    If it were me and I decided on a new bare drive rather than the WD Expander I would probably install the brand new drive internally and move the existing 1TB back to external duty since it already has a few miles on it. It would be easier to recover if the external drive fails completely.

    Hope that helps!
     
  12. Apr 11, 2010 #5532 of 10248
    Tivogre

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    Did WINMFS complete successfully when you restored the hacked image?

    What message(s) did it give at completion?
     
  13. Apr 11, 2010 #5533 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    Ouch!....The hook was set ......deep. :eek:
     
  14. Apr 11, 2010 #5534 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Sorry! That was the first time in my life that I ever got "into" the April 1st deal on ANY forum...and will be my last. I actually don't like the many April 1st Magazine features as well. :D
     
  15. Apr 11, 2010 #5535 of 10248
    moolman

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    Rich,
    Thank you for the advice. As for the MX-1, I've had the fan on it unplugged for the last 3 years, it's too noisy for my liking. And the advice about moving the new drive to the internal makes the most sense, didn't think about it. Am I able to use winMFS to copy the already expanded 1TB to the new 1TB, or do I have to go from the original drive. My original drive died so I had to use that virgin supafly image going around and that required to use the linux mfs which was doable but none the less fustrating.

    Alex
     
  16. Apr 11, 2010 #5536 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    Alex, the MX1 fan should be all but silent, if it's making noise it's most likely got crud or gunk on the shaft, I hear the hard drive more then the fans.

    A visit to this thread might be in order:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7836726#post7836726

    Diane
     
  17. Apr 11, 2010 #5537 of 10248
    dontull63

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    I just bought a WD Expander. The install went easily enough and everything seems to work, but the change between screens is incredibly slow.

    Populating the Now Playing Screen can take 30 seconds and paging down to the next screen can take another 30 seconds, etc.

    The System Screens seem to be correct and recognize the external drive and the percentage of memory for each show recorded dropped appropriately.

    Also, while I can force a connection to Tivo, the download hangs at the last stage (preparing to load).
     
  18. Apr 11, 2010 #5538 of 10248
    richsadams

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    You can use winMFS with your existing internal 1TB and a new 1TB to make a truncated backup (which just includes the basic settings, cable card info, etc.) or you can make a full copy including recordings. See Section V, 22a and 22b in the FAQ. Just follow the same steps. If you wanted you could also use dd to make an exact copy.

    I would image the new drive first and install it to be sure everything is working. When you marry them it will of course reformat your existing 1TB internal and all of the data will be wiped. After you're sure everything is working then marry the two drives. It's a bit of a pain, but will ensure that you have a working internal drive no matter what.

    BTW, Diane's advice about the noisy fan is right on. I have an MX-1 (bought it when the S3 eSATA hack was discovered a couple of years ago) which had a noisy fan OOTB. I tinkered with it (finally flicked the hub with my finger) and it got much quieter, not silent but close. It's doing backup work on a computer now and still humming along just fine.
     
  19. Apr 11, 2010 #5539 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum (neighbor!). Have a look at this post and see if trying some of the suggestions helps:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    If not, post back and we'll keep working on it.
     
  20. Apr 11, 2010 #5540 of 10248
    moolman

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    Thanks for the advice everyone, I knew my MX-1 fan was defective but I was just lazy I guess and never bothered to check that the warranty was 3 years, not 1 year. I just sent them an email asking for a new fan, so lets see what happens. The reason I was asking if I can use the already updated 1TB to make a copy was because back in the day when I was upgrading the my S2, I remember something about not being able to expand again if you already expanded a drive. But I guess this doesn't fall into that since I'm not expanding the drive and things may have changed since then.

    Thanks again everyone for the advice.

    Alex
     

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