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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 21, 2010 #5381 of 10248
    larrs

    larrs Movie Fan-Addict

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    I have a Blacx duet dual drive system and it works great to store videos on my computer. I was wondering if it would also work with my S3 as an external drive? I am going through my third enclosure (this one is Antec) since I put an external drive on my S3 and my Sci-Atl HD8300 before that (fan is starting to get noisy which seems to always happen with these before failure).

    Just wondering if I can eliminate the fan problem...
     
  2. Mar 21, 2010 #5382 of 10248
    gages97

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    The saga continues. I took a 1TB Hitachi and did the InstantCake on it.

    Instankcake asked me if I wanted to expand the partition and I said yes. Everything worked fine but the unit says I have less space available than I do on my 750Gb on my other Series 3.

    I did an MFScopy from the new drive to another Hitachi 1TB, copy works fine, but MFSadd fails with an error.

    Any ideas on how to expand the drive?
     
  3. Mar 21, 2010 #5383 of 10248
    richsadams

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    There would obviously be a number of costs involved to add and support another line of drives from a manufacturer with which TiVo has almost a decade-long relationship (WD), much less a line from another manufacturer. There would certainly be an impact on their existing supplier relationship as well.

    The Premier's have already begun shipping. When you order one you have the option of buying external storage (the 1TB WD My DVR Expander). One would surmise that if TiVo had any plans to support another eSATA drive they would have made the move already.

    All things considered, I don't think it will come to pass, but of course the bottom line is money/profit so you never know.
     
  4. Mar 21, 2010 #5384 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I've often wondered that myself. I suppose the only way to find out would be to pop in a SATA drive, connect the dock to your Series3 and see if TiVo recognizes it. I suspect there might be an issue since your dock is capable of supporting two drives (which a computer can see, but perhaps not TiVo). But if that doesn't work, maybe a single drive dock might? Hard to say without giving it a shot. So thanks for volunteering and let us know how it goes! ;)

    EDIT: Don't forget, if you do connect an eSATA drive to your Series3 TiVo will format it. I'm not sure if that happens initially/immediately or at the moment that you give it three thumbs up, etc. but I wouldn't connect a drive on which there is anything you want to keep. :eek: :)
     
  5. Mar 21, 2010 #5385 of 10248
    richsadams

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  6. Mar 21, 2010 #5386 of 10248
    gages97

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    1. Can a single drive be connected to the external sata connection and no drive on the internal?

    2. Any way to get a raid solution to work? I am sick and tired of losing my programming every 2 years or so.
     
  7. Mar 21, 2010 #5387 of 10248
    dpavlako

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    Can anyone tell me how to actually use this program? I got it because my hdd died and I can't seem to get it to work. Evidently I need to be able to tell it EXACTLY where my dvd and the hdd are in linux and it seems I have no idea of how to find out where they are. I tried all of their suggestions but none seemed to work.

    Any help would be appreciated
     
  8. Mar 21, 2010 #5388 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Q1 would be no. TiVo looks to the primary SATA connection to find the boot partitions. Q2 would be a maybe. IIRC someone (or possibly a couple of someones) managed to do a RAID 1 configuration a while back with a direct connection to the second SATA port on the MB. You'd have to do some searching to find it.
     
  9. Mar 21, 2010 #5389 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    I did not say it would destroy the TiVo. I did not even imply that the OS would have an issue. What I did say was that when this happened my unit DID come back up (OS GOOD), but for only about a 20 minute +/- period of time. The tuner buffering does write to the buffer area, and that can cause a problem. As I said, when I pulled the antenna, the unit then stayed on without a reboot, for 5+ hours...long enough to get my shows transferred. This, to me, meant that the HDD had an issue in that area. My proper way to pull the plug, I believe, should avoid that.

    Anyway, I thought it was a good idea and can not hurt.
     
  10. Mar 21, 2010 #5390 of 10248
    cwerdna

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    I've verified that the two SATA connectors on the mobo are physically identical. I disconnected the (probably bad) 160 gig stock A drive and moved the eSATA header connector over to it.

    I was able to put an image via winmfs onto my DVR Expander and it's been running fine after guided setup, clearing and deleting all (whoops, forgot about the "locking" of drives to a TSN), guided setup again, letting it upgrade to 11.0d, and making a few recordings. So far so good.

    So, I guess I'm a "pioneer" for now. Once my DVR Expander's warranty is over, we'll see what happens when I try to move the drive internally.

    BTW, I received my SIIG CB-SA0111-S1 1m cable and it honestly doesn't seem to "snap in" much better than the stock DVR Expander cable they ship with now. In fact, the original cable snaps in whereas the SIIG cable just seems to go in w/more friction. Anyhow, I'm using the SIIG cable now, just for good measure. I ordered mine from http://www.walmart.com/ip/SIIG-eSATA-to-eSATA-cable-1m/10884515.
     
  11. Mar 21, 2010 #5391 of 10248
    larrs

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    I have a WD 1TB drive on order. When it gets here, I will unhook my duet and give it a try. I can't do it with an exisiting drive as they all have too much stuff on them.

    I am wondering if the drives will stay cool enough. On my computer, they are not spinning all of the time.
     
  12. Mar 21, 2010 #5392 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice work and good to know. :up: I'd think things will be fine once you move the drive internally.

    The early eSATA cables that were included with the 500GB WD My DVR Expanders were just shy of awful according to most folks. There were a lot of RMA's that boiled down to a faulty cable so I'm sure they've improved things by now.

    BTW, we'll forgive you for shopping at the Evil Empire for the cable. ;)

    Enjoy!
     
  13. Mar 21, 2010 #5393 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I would think that if it's one of WD's GP (green) drives and if you have some ventilation it should stay pretty cool since a good deal of the drive is exposed. Let us know how it goes!
     
  14. Mar 21, 2010 #5394 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Oh 'comon now...if you can't destroy something, where's the fun in that? A real man could do it! :p :D
     
  15. Mar 21, 2010 #5395 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Yeah, I tried that back in the day with the original S3. :cool:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=318604&page=3

    My recommendation, don't use a Thecus N2050. Got way to hot for my tastes.

    Some others tried it as well...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=327556
     
  16. Mar 21, 2010 #5396 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Well, once the cover is off the THD it is very easy to destroy it! A few years ago we blew up a PC on July 4th. One of the guys in the neighborhood does this for a living for Movie special effects! His stuff is so loud that even the kids run away!
     
  17. Mar 22, 2010 #5397 of 10248
    richsadams

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    What a great memory! :up: (I mean yours, not the memories of trying to increase TiVo's recording capacity in somewhat unorthodox ways. Although that does bring back some, um, interesting recollections. ;) )
     
  18. Mar 23, 2010 #5398 of 10248
    RayChuang88

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    I'm disappointed because I would like to see more than just WD offering eSATA expansion drives that work directly with a TiVo HD/Premiere DVR. :(
     
  19. Mar 23, 2010 #5399 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Agreed...that would be a plus. :up:
     
  20. Mar 23, 2010 #5400 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Reminds me of the scene in "Office" where they destroy the copier...still love that one. "What does PC Load Letter" mean anyway? Piece of...." :D
     

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