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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 19, 2010 #5361 of 10306

    rainbow Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    If you can get a good deal on a dual deck, it would be worth the little bit of extra $ to go with that, rather than those pesky usb-to-estate/ide adapters.

    I ended up spending more $ than I should have as I had orig ordered 1 adapter:thumbsdown:; then had to order a 2nd as I wanted to transfer recordings as well.

    The adapters come with no instructions, and if you don't really know what you are doing, they could be hooked up incorrectly; or worse. Also, the ones I got were cheap and reflected that in their quality.

    I got the Cavalry dual deck:up: that bciocco had found a good buy on and provided a link to (see post #5226). It arrived last nt, and was a breeze
    to use. After the hrs the previous wknd I had wasted trying to get those adapters to work correctly, it was a pleasure to see how that dock worked.

    I did double check that link and buy.com is no longer offering that deck - thank God I jumped on it when I did. Guess it might have been a close-out or something, so thanks bciocco :up:

    Anyway, thought I would post my experience. If someone else had posted an experience like this previously, I might have saved myself some time/effort/$.
  2. Mar 19, 2010 #5362 of 10306

    cliffdwelling New Member

    Jan 29, 2009
    Yes, bootable CD with wdidle3.exe, right?

    Everything reported right as per instructions .

    I had my computers' hard drive installed at the same time and it tried to reset it,
    but reported that it wasn't a WD drive and I hope did not change any of its' settings.

    I must have missed the warning or skipped a step per instructions.
  3. Mar 19, 2010 #5363 of 10306

    richsadams Active Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Sounds good. If your PC's drive is not WD it shouldn't have affected it. Enjoy!
  4. Mar 19, 2010 #5364 of 10306

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    I just got a pm suggesting the new 11.0f software update is compatible with Western Digital "Green" drives without disabling Intellipark.

    Can someone with this new software test and confirm?
  5. Mar 19, 2010 #5365 of 10306

    HazelW Member

    Dec 6, 2007
    No. Va
    Can you supersize an instantcake install, or does it just work with a WinMFS install?
  6. Mar 19, 2010 #5366 of 10306

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    You can "Supersize" an InstantCake install using WinMFS. There is no way to "Supersize" from within the InstantCake software.
  7. Mar 19, 2010 #5367 of 10306

    richsadams Active Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    That would be very good news indeed. Hopefully someone that's ready to upgrade with a new WD drive can hold off until they receive the v11.0f update and then try it.

    Did they mention any additional update features?
  8. Mar 19, 2010 #5368 of 10306

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

    Oct 29, 2002
    Or we could bump the Intellipark value back down on a box that already has 11.0f. Not me, tho ... :eek:
  9. Mar 19, 2010 #5369 of 10306
    cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    Any chance it was a pm from a TiVo employee?

    If true, I'll probably get one and save my Hitachi for something else since I haven't gotten around to doing the upgrade yet.
  10. Mar 19, 2010 #5370 of 10306

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    No, it was just a regular member who added a new WD10EADS under 11.0f without disabling Intellipark. They didn't mention anything else. If someone can confirm that, I'll update the first post.

    I already deleted the message as my inbox is nearly full (148/150).
  11. Mar 19, 2010 #5371 of 10306

    pl1 Active Member

    Jan 17, 2007
  12. Mar 19, 2010 #5372 of 10306

    MPSAN Active Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    OK, here is the question, and an update Rich asked for.....

    I have 3 THD's and Rich told me it was OK to update one of them to 1 TB after I only had it a few weeks. :D I made and old TRUNCATED backup of this original 160GB drive and all was OK. I just had a disaster after 8 months. TiVo support asked me to swap the locations of two of my three THD's and all went well. It reset the LAN's so that all 3 THD's were OK again with MRV.

    The problem was that when I put them back, one of them locked up with reboots, etc and I had a gray screen. Yup, it happened to be the 1 TB upgrade one. So, I put the 160 GB drive back in and all was OK. I then wrote all ZEROS to my WD10EADS and it too was OK again after I did a 2 drive upgrade with WINmfs again.

    So, here are a few suggestions and a question.

    First what I have are 3 THD's on a wired network with STATIC IP's. The original issue after 8 months was that one of the THD's kept dropping the other 2 units from the NP list. I swapped rooms as support said that this would both reset the THD's (I power cycled the one I left alone) and tell me if the issue stayed with one unit. That worked and when I swapped them back, the 1 TB unit died and I had a bunch of shows on it, but it would not stay up for long. So here is what I learned.....

    If a TiVo is running and you can get to the settings area, tell it to reboot...when the Welcome screen comes up, you can unplug it. That is because there will be no disk write activity at that point.

    I thought about what may have been going on when I "crashed" the 1TB TiVo before following the above POWER DOWN suggestion. The "bad" drive would boot the THD but after about 30 minutes it would lock up. I thought that any WRITES to the HDD would be from the tuner(s) buffering data to the HDD.
    So, I turned it off with the "bad" HDD still in it and removed the antenna. When it came back up, there was nothing to buffer as the coax was off. At that point I was able to transfer all of the shows!!

    3. IF MRV FAILS.
    Power off all THD's and remove the LAN cable(s). Power them back up, and when all are ready again, reconnect the LAN cable.

    OK, now to my question about a Truncated Backup. I am posting all of this here as it mostly pertains to those of us who have opened our TiVo's. Remember, I have 3 THD's and use Static IP's.

    So, here is the question. I am on Verizon FIOS and they do NOT pair M-Cards. I can take 1 and put it anywhere. So, here is the question based on the above. Can I take a good Truncated Image from the Family_Room THD, and restore it to the Bedroom if that untouched THD ever goes bad? Of course I would have the LAN disconnected when I first power back up. I understand that in my case the CableCard will not be an issue (Thank you FIOS), but if I then rename the THD unit from Family_Room to Bedroom, and then change the Static IP to the one the Bedroom uses, before I reconnect the LAN should that work? Is there anything in the Truncated Backup file that would be specific to the original units backup.

    OH, I also have lifetime service on all 3 THD's.

    Sorry this is long, but it shows the proper way to power down, a way too perhaps fix MRV issues, a way that may save shows from a bad HDD, and a way (if on FIOS) that 1 backup may be used for more than 1 THD.
  13. Mar 19, 2010 #5373 of 10306
    Kevin R

    Kevin R New Member

    Jan 15, 2009
    Well, finally got all my ducks in a row and upgraded to the WD10EVDS today.
    Everything went surprisingly well except when I put it back together I forgot to run the wires back through the twisty wire holder there on the drive base.
    With as short a run as the wires are, I know it won't cause any problems, but it's disappointing to have everything go so well and leave one stupid thing undone.

    Anyway, the only surprises were:

    1) My fault, but I couldn't get it to select the location to save the backup to. Ended up that it wanted me to come up with a name for the back up and I was just expecting to select a location and have it use a default name or something.

    2)Since the back up only does the system stuff and not the programs, I assumed there would be nothing on it when loaded. Didn't realize that it would keep all the shows listed, and I would have to delete them from the shows area and then the deleted folder. I could have let them roll out of the deleted file, but with 157hrs of HD, that wouldn't happen soon, and this is much cleaner.
    Really had me excited at first.
    I though cool, now I don't have to transfer my shows back.
    Realized what was up after I tried a couple shows and it said the shows weren't there.

    All that's left now is to transfer everything back from Tivo Desktop. It took almost 24 hrs to move it up, I would hope it wouldn't take that long down, but I know that's a pipe dream.

    Anyway, thanks to all the great people and info on this site. It really couldn't have gone any smoother.
    If I had done it a day later I could have checked out the new update for you to see if it fixed the issue with intellipark. Too bad I saw it 6 hrs too late.

    Kevin R
  14. Mar 20, 2010 #5374 of 10306

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

    Feb 22, 2001
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Although I agree w/your reasoning, but FWIW, when the Tivo CTO gave a lecture at UC Berkeley about the service before Series 2s existed (referenced at http://db.tidbits.com/article/6547?print_version=1) he mentioned that the engineers originally wanted to put some sort of shutdown or power switch on the device to which he insisted no! He basically said it's a consumer device and it must be able to tolerate the power going out whenever.
  15. Mar 20, 2010 #5375 of 10306

    dt100 New Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    Another big thanks to the great folks on this forum. Upgrade with the 7k1000.c went great without any problems. I followed the instructions on the first post to the tee.
    I was a little concerned about the temperature of this new drive. After a few days of monitoring, the temps are the same as with the stock drive. I have the tivo in a cabinet - I know I am not supposed to do that, but it is what works in my setup. With the door halfway open, the temp is 37, sometimes 38. With it closed, the temp is 42. Since that reads as "normal," I figure is it ok.
    I could not wait for my cheapo usb adapters to arrive from Hong Kong, so I ordered the dual dock recommended a few pages back. Meanwhile,
    one of my two cheapo adapters arrived today. I connected another drive I had to test it out. I copied some files to/from the drive to the computer, and there were no problems. I suspect it would be perfectly fine for a tivo upgrade. I would not want to use it frequently, but for very occasional use it is fine.
    Thanks again.
  16. Mar 20, 2010 #5376 of 10306

    rainbow Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    I have 2 series 3 tivos - 1 without current svc, and so unused right now, that has some summer olympics prgms stored,and the other that is lifetimed which is the one I actively use.

    I just used the unused tivo hd to image the 1T that I got, and also moved over the Olympics prgms.

    My question - can I now use the -mfscopy- pgrm with the currently used 250hd so I can also add the pgrms I have currently stored over to the 1T HD.

    I assume that would add a 2nd tivo image on to that hd. Would that cause any problems with functionality?
  17. Mar 20, 2010 #5377 of 10306

    MPSAN Active Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    I agree! TiVo does say that the Hardware design will tolerate a "crash" of power. However, it seems that killing the power with no write activity to the HDD is better than just pulling the plug.
  18. Mar 20, 2010 #5378 of 10306

    yukit Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    I have been using this drive in a HDXL since last Nov/Dec (I did the upgrade during the holidays)

    We had a power failure in our area on Fri. When the power came back on, the Tivo was stuck in "Powering On" screen for several hours. I had to hard-reboot the unit 4 or 5 times before it can eventually get to "Please wait a moment" screen. It has been working fine since.

    This is the first time I experienced any type of reboot problem (hard or soft) with this drive. The firmware of the HDXL is 11.0d-01-2-658, so I don't think I have a different firmware since the drive upgrade.

    I am not sure if there is any known "drive park" issues with Hitachi drives. Just a heads up for others that may encounter similar hang with this Hitachi drive.
  19. Mar 21, 2010 #5379 of 10306

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Well, it really doesn't matter. All of the Linux partitions are read-only, except for /var, and /var can be totally obliterated without fatally impacting the system. There are never any writes going to the OS partitions, so one won't turn the unit into a brick by a dirty shutdown. Meanwhile, the MFS data is written in an append-only mode. This means when the data write is suddenly interrupted, the files are truncated (compared to what they would have been), but not corrupted in any other way. The bottom line is pulling the plug won't destroy the TiVo.
  20. Mar 21, 2010 #5380 of 10306

    RayChuang88 Active Member

    Sep 5, 2002
    Which does remind me--besides the WD My DVR Expander external drive, are there plans for TiVo to certify the Seagate Showcase eSATA external drive for use by the TiVo HD or Premiere DVR's?

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