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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 18, 2010 #5341 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I haven't upgraded that way myself. I've always connected the drives directly to the MB on my computer. Since data throughput is much higher a direct SATA connection is much faster than a USB/SATA or eSATA connection if you're preserving the settings and recordings. However as bciocco and others here have posted, using a USB dual drive docking station does work quite nicely, it just takes a while longer.

    Since the upgrade doesn't actually clone the drive the heavy lifting would still be handled by the PC's CPU and memory as it runs winMFS or MFSTools. The PC's HDD wouldn't necessarily be active for anything other than running the MFS program (and copying/restoring a truncated backup if you went that direction). Watching the activity in Task Manager (even better Process Explorer) will show you what's going on inside your computer even when the HDD is idle.

    No, as mentioned above, you're not cloning the drive. Some data is being copied over, but there are a number of other activities (partition changes, expansion, etc.) going on as well. If you were to clone the drive you would end up with the identical recording space, etc. on the new drive...and that would kind of defeat the purpose of upgrading.
     
  2. Mar 18, 2010 #5342 of 10248
    pl1

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    OIC, OK, I guess I was thinking of running MFSADD after the clone (if the object was to increase the size and not just a clone).
     
  3. Mar 18, 2010 #5343 of 10248
    cjv2

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    I tried that. Didn't work. In my case, the subsequent add operation blew up WinMFS and torched the partition table.

    Even more interesting than that, the partition table on the pre-failed-MFSADD clone did not match the partition table I got out of doing a truncated backup/restore. I still have no idea why.

    To be fair, the image tool I used could hypothetically have been at issue, but I really can't see how - pre-failed-MFSADD, the clone worked great.
     
  4. Mar 18, 2010 #5344 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sticking with the upgrade instructions and flow is just about the only way to guarantee a positive outcome. Of course as long as you keep your original backup (ideally the original hard drive itself) there's no harm in trying whatever you can imagine though. You can always start over again. ;)
     
  5. Mar 18, 2010 #5345 of 10248
    pl1

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    Hmm. I do remember you mentioning that earlier in this thread come to think of it.
     
  6. Mar 18, 2010 #5346 of 10248
    pl1

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    I hear ya. No sense reinventing the wheel. WinMFS does a great job as it stands. I don't know any other utility (for anything) that is that easy and works as fast as it does.
     
  7. Mar 18, 2010 #5347 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Yep. I'd love to know why it didn't work. Have never figured it out.
     
  8. Mar 18, 2010 #5348 of 10248
    pl1

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    I'll give it a shot. I have two extra 1t drives to play with. I can clone an original 250g to a 1t and try mfsadd. I'll let you know once I get the dual dock in a couple weeks (from Hong Kong or somewhere like that).
     
  9. Mar 18, 2010 #5349 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Awesome. Please do. In the name of science. :) :up:
     
  10. Mar 18, 2010 #5350 of 10248
    ayman86

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    question for you all.

    i bought a used tivohd with lifetime service and warranty til jan2013. would you forgo the warranty and upgrade the internal drive to 1TB or stick with the 160GB?

    how often to tivohds go bad (besides the hdd as youll have a backup)?
     
  11. Mar 18, 2010 #5351 of 10248
    Spenner

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    I'd use it for a few weeks to make sure it's OK, then upgrade the drive. Save the original one, and if anything ever goes wrong, just swap the original back in. It's the same warranty risk we all take when we upgrade a Tivo bought new.

    If you're recording HD, the original drive is next to useless with only 20 hrs capacity.
     
  12. Mar 18, 2010 #5352 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'd echo Spenner's recommendation...be sure it's working properly for a little while then upgrade. Although TiVo is aware of the upgrade (reflected in their logs) they tend to turn a blind eye if something else goes wrong that wasn't associated. If you call for support and mention the upgrade that's the end of the conversation. But if you keep the original drive you can always reinstall it for a return. FWIW hard drive failure is the number one TiVo problem (by far). Odds are there's nothing else that will give you any trouble.

    Enjoy your new TiVo!
     
  13. Mar 18, 2010 #5353 of 10248
    ayman86

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    thanks for the suggestions. :)
     
  14. Mar 18, 2010 #5354 of 10248
    justen_m

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    I had my TivoHD only 5 months before I decided to do a 1tb internal upgrade. I don't care about the warranty. All the Tivo failures I've seen have been hard drive related, so I really just backed up my system with an upgrade. People with lifetime will probably disagree, but for a monthly puke like me, it was a no brainer.

    [edit] echo spenner EDIT or My Expander related.
     
  15. Mar 19, 2010 #5355 of 10248
    lex3001

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    This has been bugging me for a while since it is not in the FAQ, but I wanted everyone to know.

    I took my new stock TiVo HD 160GB drive and upgraded it with WinMFS to a 1.5TB drive. I supersized.

    This took me up to 180 HD hours according to TiVo. This is about what you would expect with usable space of 1.26 TB (see the FAQ if you have no idea what I am talking about... its the 1.1TB partition limit plus the original 160GB partition size = 1.26TB total usable space).

    DRUM ROLL PLEASE...

    I decided to use a different 1.5TB drive in the TiVo and used WinMFS to copy the first 1.5TB drive to the new 1.5TB drive. I followed all instructions and chose NOT to expand the partitions beyond TiVo's capacity, as advised.

    When I booted up with my second 1.5TB drive, the TiVo now has 198 HD hours (!!). Where'd that extra 18 hours come from? Seems to correspond to an extra 10-12GB or so of usable space. So not all 1.5 TB yet, but at least 1.35 to 1.37 TB.

    Anyone have a good explanation for this? Is my TiVo on crack, or did I just score the jackpot of free HD recording space? I wonder, if I did yet another copy in WinMFS to another 1.5TB drive what would happen... ;-)
     
  16. Mar 19, 2010 #5356 of 10248
    cliffdwelling

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    All's well with my WD10EARS 1TB upgrade. Plugged it in today and it booted up fine. It was making a little more clicking noises than I liked and remembered that I hadn't set the AAM .

    I downloaded WinAAM and the setting was 204
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    After setting to 128 and inserting back into the Tivo Box it has been churning away recording March Madness all day.

    I wish that I had upgraded a long time ago. It is great to not have to worry about recording space ---at least for the time being.

    I got an incredible deal on this drive and hope it stands the test of time
    An incredible 50.00 upgrade!:D:up:

    Thanks for all the help.
     
  17. Mar 19, 2010 #5357 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Per Section V, #5 of the FAQ you're exactly where you're supposed to be, 1.26TB total. If TiVo only showed 180 HD recording hours the first time you upgraded, Supersize did not take (even though you may have clicked on it).

    Enjoy the new real estate!
     
  18. Mar 19, 2010 #5358 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sweet! :up: Did you disable the Intellipark "feature" (or extend the time out)?

    Enjoy!
     
  19. Mar 19, 2010 #5359 of 10248
    Brighton Line

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    Last night I installed a Hitachi 1 TB Deskstar SATA 7200 RPM HD31000, I can't beleive how easy it was and I copied over all my recorded programs.

    My only questions was with this 1TB drive in a Series 3 it is reporting only 142 Hours of HD available to record. Anyone have any ideas this is less then what is reported in the beginning of this thread (Section IV #6)?

    TIA
     
  20. Mar 19, 2010 #5360 of 10248
    rocko

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    Ummm, maybe because you forgot to supersize it?

    FWIW, you can supersize it without hurting/redoing the upgrade.
     

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