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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 15, 2010 #5261 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The lifespan of a 500GB WD My DVR Expander seems to be 12 to 18 months. Here's a post about eSATA drive troubleshooting that may be helpful:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    TiVo has a built-in basic diagnostic called Kickstart 54:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    KS54 will check the drive for errors. It's not infallible but can often find some issues.
     
  2. Mar 15, 2010 #5262 of 10248
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    After two months with a 1TB Pipeline drive in my TivoHD, I finally got tired of telling myself that the noise "isn't that bad" (the fact that someone in the family heard the noise and commented that they didn't know how I put up with it certainly helped me reach that point.)

    While I know that many here recommend the Hitachi drive, I really wanted a DVR-specific drive, so I ordered a WD10EVDS from Amazon and went through the hassle of disabling the intellipark (and yes, although running the program is simple enough, having to crack open a PC and get things set to run WDIDLE is definitely a hassle.)

    The WD10EVDS I received from Amazon was made February 1st. I used a CD made the fdoem.iso downloaded from this thread and the /d switch set the intellipark to 3720 seconds (62.0 minutes.) Note that my CD drive is a PATA drive, so there was no need to change the SATA settings from AHCI to IDE.

    I copied my Pipeline drive to the new WD10EVDS using WinMFS and installed it in the Tivo. The Tivo soft-reboots fine.

    After all that, I have to say the difference in noise cannot be understated. After almost a week in service, the WD10EVDS is just incredibly quiet.

    So in the end I have to say that if you want a DVR-specific drive and are keeping the Tivo in a quiet room, it's definitely worth the hassle to get a WD drive, find a SATA PC and disable the intellipark. If someone figures out a way to disable intellipark via USB, we'd have the best of all worlds.

    Thanks once again to everyone who has contributed to this thread and that made it possible for me to successfully try the WD10EVDS!

    Finally, I have a suggestion for this forum/thread, though I'm not sure how best to implement it. It would be really helpful for future upgraders if there were separate threads or subsections for each major upgrade drive. So, for example instead of searching through this gigantic thread, people could simply look at a thread or subsection specifically for each recommended or often used drive. That way reports of user experiences would be better organized and future upgraders could easily get the feedback they need to pick a drive that would suit their needs. Sorry for the long post...:eek:
     
  3. Mar 15, 2010 #5263 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Rich...putting the original 160GB drive back in my "bad" THD (and putting my saved image back on it) WORKED! Glad I have FIOS as the saved image, done while creating the 1TB "upgrade" was with Comcast. It did take 4 1/2 hours to finish by the time it got done downloading data as the last time it was used was August '09. Then the guide data had to be updated to reflect the change from Comcat to FIOS.

    Anyway, I now want to put the 1TB back in it. I do have the first 4 episodes of V on it, but I guess they can not be saved.

    Anyway, I assume the 1TB drive just had a data glitch when I unplugged the THD to swap it (per TiVo Support for another issue). Do you know if a 2 drive upgrade will format (fix) any issues with the 1TB drive, or should I try a write all zero's from a WD Utility?

    I had a quick thought....I wonder if we should always pull the antenna connection before powering down? My "bad" 1TB drive had been working for 8 Months. My theory is that when I pulled the power, it may have been in the middle of a write in order to keep saving the 1/2 hours worth of data from both tuners. IF the antenna was pulled before the power, then perhaps there would be no drive activity. I could test this theory...I could put the bad drive in...and without the antenna connected, see if it can stay up enough to get my 4 V shows! After all, without the antenna, there may be a lot less activity!
     
  4. Mar 15, 2010 #5264 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I know when you do an upgrade (truncated or full copy) that the drives are formatted of course, but I've no idea if if would fix any issues. I kind of doubt it. Running the extended diagnostic should find any problems so it might be worth some peace of mind.

    Interesting idea about pulling the coax before unplugging the unit. I've never done that and I haven't experienced any problems, but it certainly couldn't hurt. I don't think the buffer stops when there's no "real" input...though the data its writing would certainly be minimal...I could be wrong about that though.

    My WAG is that when power is removed and reapplied, particularly when it's reapplied, it can have a much bigger impact on a hard drive than if a read and/or write session is interrupted. It could obviously corrupt data, but more importantly it can have a bigger impact if it "spikes" the drive's hardware (chips, etc.) or firmware. I know they have built-in protection for such things, but it's not like powering down and then powering a computer back up where these things are taken into account.

    That's why I suspect folks that are continually unplugging and plugging their TiVo's back in end up with more problems than when they started. I don't know if putting TiVo in a standby state and then unplugging it to somewhat avoid a "dirty shutdown" might make a difference or not.

    I think having some sort of power conditioner (something other than a surge protector) like a UPS can mitigate some of the hard drive issues people run into. Power can be a funny thing.

    Anyway, that's good news. Hopefully everything will go smoothly and you can save your recordings. "V" is a pretty good show!
     
  5. Mar 15, 2010 #5265 of 10248
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    Seagate's Pipeline series is supposed to be fairly quiet, but obviously not quiet enough. Since the AAM can't be adjusted replacing it with one of the WD GP drives was a good move. Did you happen to check the AAM on the WD10EVDS? My understanding is that it's already set to 128 but I was just curious.

    Agreed that drive specific information would be helpful, but I'm not sure how bkdtv would implement it. Plus then it would require that each part be maintained...and that could be a chore since manufacturer's seem to delight in making changes (aka "upgrades") on a regular basis. But if it could be managed it certainly would be helpful.

    Glad to hear that the "sounds of silence" are back again. Enjoy!
     
  6. Mar 15, 2010 #5266 of 10248
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    Same here. I just could not tolerate the thumping noise. So, I did the same thing as you and I'm glad I did. Plus, the 1T drives are cheap enough ($89) so it didn't break the bank. I also RMA'd my original WD drive for $6 shipping and sold my used Seagate. Now I have an extra sealed WD drive ready to go at anytime I need it.

    BTW, I'm getting a dual SATA docking station with eSATA ports. I'm wondering if I can disable the Intellipark with eSATA ports. I know it's not possible with USB. Does anyone know out of curiousity? I can't see why it wouldn't work since the eSATA connects right to the SATA on the motherboard.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230446719481&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250562784237&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    I'll have to try that out when I get it.
     
  7. Mar 15, 2010 #5267 of 10248
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    Well, I would like to rescue V if I can. I guess it starts again on the 30th but there is a 1 hour show on the 23rd that sums up the first 4 hours!

    Anyway, I think the safest way to power down is to go to the menu (if you can get to it) and tell it to restart. As it does it, it turns off the HDD, and as soon as the Powering Up screen shows up, you can pull the plug, as nothing is going on then with the HDD.

    I was going to test my no antenna theory with putting the BAD 1TB drive back. I wonder if I can just turn off the THD, rest the BAD drive on top of the 160GB drive and change the cable without putting the "bad" drive in the cradle?

    Anyway, if this does not work, I may put the BAD 1TB drive in the XP system and use WD diags to write zeros.

     
  8. Mar 15, 2010 #5268 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I agree...that should work. But knowing that it does for sure would be very valuable. :up:
     
  9. Mar 15, 2010 #5269 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's a good idea. :up:

    Yes, I've done that plenty of times. Just be sure not to touch the exposed circuits on the "extra" hard drive to any metal or it's bye-bye hard drive! I usually lay the extra drive upside down on top of the TiVo drive so they're lying against each other top-to-top.
     
  10. Mar 15, 2010 #5270 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Yes, I always put the antistatic bag between drives. Anyway, I will let you know how it goes. There are 2 shows I want to get back if I can, but, after all, it is only TV!

    As a last resort, is there a KICKSTART I should try first? I do not know if I have ever seen anyone say a KICKSTART worked.
     
  11. Mar 15, 2010 #5271 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good. BTW, the whole first season of "V" is available on line. I'm not sure where it's located...I access it through Boxee (for free) on my Mac but I'm sure it can be found via TiVo as well.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2010 #5272 of 10248
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    Well, ABC has it online but I do not want to watch on the computer. The BAD drive is transferring it now to another THD. I will see how long I can keep it running. As I said, I wonder if there is 1 Kickstart I can try that could FIX the 1TB drive before I Zero it out? If a kickstart can work, I could save the shows...if this antenna adea does not work!
     
  13. Mar 15, 2010 #5273 of 10248
    bciocco

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    If it's only two shows, the $5.98 (2.99 X 2) to purchase them from Amazon might be worth it; SD would only be $3.98 (1.99 X 2). It depends how much the time and aggravation is worth to you. Amazon will send them to the TiVo.
     
  14. Mar 15, 2010 #5274 of 10248
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    Sorry, but I did not. I almost did, but I was in a hurry trying to get everything done in time for Lost that evening so I did everything as quickly and smoothly as possible without any extra steps.
     
  15. Mar 15, 2010 #5275 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Thank you, but it is just not worth it to get all 4 of them. When I said 2 shows I meant V and a movie and V has 4 episodes. Makes me wonder as they are going to summarize the 4 shows on the 23rd in 1 hour!

    As I mentioned to Rich, this may be a great time to see if any KICKSTART would work, but I need one that does not destroy data.
     
  16. Mar 15, 2010 #5276 of 10248
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    I thought of doing it via eSATA as well, but I couldn't remember if the eSATA ports on my PC are connected to the main standard Intel controller, or if they are connected to the extra Gigabyte one that Windows needs special drivers for, so I just played it safe and connected it directly to the Intel SATA ports on the motherboard. In theory it should work via eSATA, but odd controllers are one possible complication.
     
  17. Mar 15, 2010 #5277 of 10248
    bciocco

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    If you already have the shows recorded, would downloading the bit torrent and bringing them in through TiVO Desktop or pyTiVo be unethical?
     
  18. Mar 15, 2010 #5278 of 10248
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    Well, so far, my TEST of bringing up the BAD drive with the THD's antenna disconnected is working. I have all of the first show and it is at 27 minutes of the second one now. This may work out!

    As far as a torrent goes, I have used avp2dvd before and it works!
     
  19. Mar 15, 2010 #5279 of 10248
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    Kickstart 57 or Kickstart 58 are designed to do what you're thinking of. Generally the recordings would be left unharmed but no guarantees of course. Might be worth a try...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2
     
  20. Mar 15, 2010 #5280 of 10248
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    Newegg has the Hitachi Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K on sale for $67.99 w/free shipping (ends at midnight Pacific today). That's an excellent price for this drive. It's the specific one mentioned earlier for upgrading TiVo's. As mentioned I have three of them, one as a backup drive and two running in a NAS. They are very quiet (adjusting the AAM to 128 using HDDScan would make them even more quiet) and they run surprisingly cool. They've been flawless for several months now. A number of folks here are very happy with them in their TiVo's.
     

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