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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 13, 2010 #5241 of 10248
    MPSAN

    MPSAN Active Member

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    Well, the network has been fine. I had removed the LAN cable from all 3 THD's and did a hard reboot...after swapping the BedRoom and FamilyRoom THD's. The FamilyRoom has the 1TB drive. Anyway, when done, all 3 saw each other and all was OK. So this all started this morning when I put the Bedroom THD back in the BR and moved the FamilyRoom one back. The FR one just rebooted. I switched again, and the FamilyRoom did boot up, but went to reboot 10 minutes later. I removed the LAN cable and did a reboot and it has been up for several hours now. I guess I will wait 'til tomorrow before trying to plug the LAN back in.

    Anyway, it is not too bad out up here...some sun and some clouds.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2010 #5242 of 10248
    dt100

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    I have a few really basic questions about testing a new drive. For a new drive connected via USB, is the HDDscan "read" and the "verify" tests all I need to test the drive for problems before doing an upgrade? Should I also run a test with Seatools? Which one? Thanks
     
  3. Mar 14, 2010 #5243 of 10248
    rainbow

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    OK, so I had orig ordered 1 usb to sata/ide adapter. Once it arrived I realized I needed a 2nd one so I could transfer image, and old recordings over to the new 1t harddrive.

    Received the 2nd one yesterday (ordered from a different vendor than the 1st).

    Hooked them up and I started to smell ... burning... from the old HD.

    Granted, the old Tivo hd had problems while in my series 3 tivo, and so I had replaced it with one that I had bought thru Ebay, which is performing well in my tivo right now.

    I guess I shoudl assume that my old HD is now literally ... TOAST.:mad:

    Now, I am a bit worried about pulling out the working one now to back up the tivo program, just in case the adapter is somehow malfunctioning - I would not want that one to be toasted as well.

    Any comments about this scenerio - has it happened to someone else?
     
  4. Mar 14, 2010 #5244 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Well, Rich...it is broken...and it is TiVo supports fault. :D They were the ones who told me to swap them. All was OK and I was told to swap them back! When I did one of them never came back up! That is the 1TB one so I will put the original 160GB drive in there and see what happens. Will be a good test as it still had the data for Comcast and now I have a FIOS M-Card. I bet I still get the reboots and that the THD hardware messed up on a power off!

    All my THD's are lifetime. If they would let me I wonder what a good deal would be if they would let me go to a Premier XL? I bet they still would want >$200!
     
  5. Mar 14, 2010 #5245 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah, I love the smell of burning electronics in the morning. Kidding. :eek: That's a bit alarming. I can't remember what kind of adapters you bought, but do they also power the drive? The regular SATA data connection shouldn't be problematic, however it's possible the power source could be delivering too much juice. I used to always run a separate power connection from the PC's power source to power the drives I was upgrading.

    I agree, I don't think I'd risk frying another hard drive. Instead I'd probably opt for one of the dual drive docking stations. I have a Thermaltake or IIRC bciocco posted a Calvary dock earlier.

    Your call of course. Saving a few bucks is always a good idea, but consider the cost of your drives.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  6. Mar 14, 2010 #5246 of 10248
    rainbow

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    thanks Rich for the feedback. I notice that the orig usb-stata/adapter has a power supply listed as model gx34w-5-12. The one I got yesterday has a power , which was the onle attached to the now toasted hd - gx26w-5-12 supply

    I think I am going to order the dual bay dock that was posted.
     
  7. Mar 14, 2010 #5247 of 10248
    richsadams

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    All of the drive manufacturers have a free diagnostic program you can download such as Seatools, WD Lifeguard, etc. Or there are third-party programs that will do the same thing.

    Most have a "quick" test which (as I understand it) run some basic tests and/or SMART tests which include drive data integrity and a few physical sample areas of the drive platters. That's usually fine, but it can miss problems. AFAIK the most comprehensive and thorough test is a full/extended read/write/read diagnostic. Like it sounds, the program reads the entire drive (as well as running some other integrity tests) then writes all zeros to the entire drive and then reads the entire drive (and runs the other tests) again. Depending on the size of the drive that can take 12 hours or more, but it's time well spent IMHO. That way you will not only have some peace of mind, but if it does find some issues you can easily capture them to make your case for an RMA. I had a Seagate drive that passed their "quick test" once, but failed the extended test. I filed a claim on their website with the drive diagnostic info and they didn't even blink when I asked for a replacement. They might not have blinked anyway, but I felt good about being able to tell them exactly what was wrong.

    My two cents...and remember you get what you pay for here. ;) Happy upgrading!
     
  8. Mar 14, 2010 #5248 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Aurgh! Well, what's your favorite slogan..."If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!"? :D What a pain, and maybe for nothing. Guess it's good they're covering these things, but what an inconvenience. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. You always have some great if not rare and unusual stories to tell. :)

    BTW, keep pushing them for the Premiere...can't hurt!
     
  9. Mar 14, 2010 #5249 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Great, Rich.

    I just put the Image back on the 160GB drive that was in that box, but it was an Image with Comcast. It will be great to see how the FIOS reacts!

    I am worried as this is the same type of issue the Bedroom unit had, but it is in no way related. Perhaps a normal Premier would be OK. Not sure if they get picky if the THD unit would be $49? I do have lifetime. I will never understand why TiVo makes you CRASH a unit!
     
  10. Mar 14, 2010 #5250 of 10248
    pgifford

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    Hi,

    It looks like I fall under category 1.5 at the start of this thread, "Replace a dead or failing TiVo drive" (my Series 3 reboots itself when I try to select certain menu items, and at other random times too) and I have a couple of questions.

    1. Am looking in the wrong place or did InstantCake double in price since the thread was updated a month ago? When I go to the dvrupgrade.com site it says the price is $39.99; at the top of this thread it's listed as $19.99.

    2. I know they've been around a long time but is the product legit? How can they sell CDs of TiVo software? It seems akin to someone selling a Windows recovery CD with a copy of Windows on it. How come other companies aren't selling a similar product if anyone can do it?

    3. I assume MFS Tools is not recommended in my situation because it looks like the drive has gone bad and a good copy may not be possible. Is this a correct assumption?

    Thanks,

    Paul
     
  11. Mar 14, 2010 #5251 of 10248
    bciocco

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    You may be able to image your drive before it totally tanks.
    Otherwise, I think instantcake is the best and easiest solution.
     
  12. Mar 14, 2010 #5252 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum...wish it were under better circumstances for you. Instant Cake is indeed a very legitimate program so no worries there. The IC OS is always an older version. However once installed TiVo automatically updates to the most current version. I hadn't noticed the price increase until now...but yes, it does appear to have gone up.

    I would give winMFS or MFSTools a try first. Generally the issues arise with bad sectors or a few other issues that can cause hard drives to fail. If it's booting up properly (not hanging) odds are the OS partitions are solid. There's no harm trying. If you run into issues with booting up, then yes, IC would be a good alternative. Know that using IC will essentially make your TiVo "new" again. You'd have to have your cable cards paired (unless you're on FIOS), run Guided Setup again, etc. If you're able to use a truncated backup of your current hard drive's image all of those things will remain intact.

    Hope that helps and best of luck!
     
  13. Mar 14, 2010 #5253 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Rich...as an update, I did the restore of my original backup of my 160GB drive and put it back in. It did reboot and, so far, the lineup was Comcast, but it saw my FIOS M-Card OK. This is still going! It takes so long to finish when the last connect was August 09! Once that finished it did detect a lineup change! WOW, it has been running and running in the prep stage I can hear the HDD as I have the cover open...there are sure a lot of stations to index! I hope this all works! I actually turned the TV off to avoid burn in!
     
  14. Mar 14, 2010 #5254 of 10248
    ssolomo

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    Thanks Rich. You read my mind - if I already had to open the box, why not just go ahead and replace the drive since I can copy the entire existing drive over? I'm out of warranty anyways and our media cabinet is pretty crowded (plus always looking to save some wattage - no need to have additional drain on the battery backup for the TiVo - it's there because we have frequent power outages in our neighborhood and only lasts about 40 minutes, which is enough).

    At least Amazon will take the MX-1 back (just pay for return shipping) - I just bought a NAS for our home network and have a cheapo external HDD enclosure already for permanent backups.
     
  15. Mar 14, 2010 #5255 of 10248
    ssolomo

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    Separate drive question - I have a sealed (unopened) WD10EACS - 1.0TB model - manuf date 31 Oct 2008. That model is not listed on the FAQ. I believe it was an early model of the "Caviar Green" series. Any known issues, no one has used, or any other reason it is not on the list?

    Thanks,

    Steven
     
  16. Mar 14, 2010 #5256 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    That drive caused a soft reboot problem when used as internal drive on the original Series 3, it didn't cause a problem with the Tivo HD. That was before the intellipark issues was identified so that's probably why it's not there.
     
  17. Mar 15, 2010 #5257 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As Moxie mentioned, the WD10EACS shouldn't be used as an internal hard drive upgrade in the original TiVo Series3. It should work fine in your TiVo HD. I had that exact model in the TiVo HD I just sold and it was flawless. Since yours was manufactured long before the recent "Intellipark feature" was added there's no worries. The drive is pretty quiet out of the box, but it might be worth running HDDScan to adjust the AAM down to 128 to make it quieter.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  18. Mar 15, 2010 #5258 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Anyone interested in technical discussion of the sector-size change issue on WD "Advanced Format" drives - not as applies to TiVo, doesn't discuss TiVo at all, but as applies to PCs in general - may be interested in this article.
     
  19. Mar 15, 2010 #5259 of 10248
    Brighton Line

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    I have a TiVo Series3 (TCD648250B) with the 500GB My DVR Expander (yes I know I don't have to use with a Series 3, it was a gift >G<) and I've started to experience image freezing on playback. The playback would freeze for a second or so and then continue. I would even get some pixeliztaion as well.
    Last night I divorced the external drive and was just left with one deleted program, everything else was gone (I knew this would happen) and I started to record shows that evening.
    I assume if I do not have the problem anymore it was the external drive which has been in use for over 14 months?
    Is there any other way to check and ensure it is not the internal drive?

    After that I guess I have to think about how I'm going to upgrade, 35 HD hours is not envough for us. Amazon does have the 1TB My DVR for only $129, maybe the cheapest option...

    TIA
     
  20. Mar 15, 2010 #5260 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Buy.com has the popular Fantom Green 1TB eSATA drive on sale for $79.99 AR w/free shipping. This one will work via plug and play with original Series3 (not w/TiVo HD or HDXL). It comes with a two-year warranty.

    I know what you're thinking...yes the drive inside is a WD GP drive but removing it would void the warranty and you'd be better off buying a bare drive (w/3-year warranty). ;)
     

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