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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 1, 2007 #501 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    Yes. All Mfsadd is doing is partitioning the drives, which only takes milliseconds.

    That's normal. It doesn't know what to do about the second drive.

    What has happened is exactly what you did. You powered up the TiVo with a missing hard drive. Since it cannot find the second drive, the TiVo has only two options: either stop or repartition the system to use only a single drive. Rather than making the decision itself, the TiVo (wisely) leaves it up to you. Had you simply shut down the TiVo and plugged in the external drive, you would have been fine. As it is, you have to re-do the marriage.

    That's safest.

    It's not surprising. You may need to wipe the drive partition on the external drive. Having one of the pair being married and the other divorced is confusing WinMFS.

    You ran mfsadd. As far as the second drive is concerned, it is married. The first drive was divorced, however, without the second one's participation.

    You should not have divorced the drive. You should have simply plugged the external drive into the TiVo. It's possible running mfsadd again will fix the situation, but you may need to repartition the second drive, first.
     
  2. Dec 1, 2007 #502 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    Yeah, apparently the fact there is no point in copying anything to anything if all you are doing is adding an external drive. Why would you copy the contents of the internal drive to the external drive? If you are replacing the internal drive with a larger internal drive, then why would you marry them? Marriage is only for adding a second drive. If you are replacing the internal drive with a larger drive and adding an external drive, then I suggest you do the copy first, make sure it's all working and then marry the external drive.
     
  3. Dec 1, 2007 #503 of 10248
    jlib

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    Indeed, since you are both upgrading your internal drive to 1TB and adding an external 1TB drive the FAQ misses the copy part for upgrading the internal drive. Should be step 6. The backup is just an optional step in case something goes very wrong. So, basically all you did was make a truncated backup to your harddrive. It is not clear how you married the new internal drive to your original. Maybe mfsadd when used on a blank drive does that? Now that you have successfully divorced it just do a copy before the add and everything should be fine. Test it if you want and then marry your new external drive to your new internal drive.

    edit: Yes, mfsadd does both the increase the partitions function and the marrying function.
     
  4. Dec 1, 2007 #504 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    I'm now in the midst of doing just that, copying the contents of the 750GB drive to the 1TB drive. As you suggest, I'll test the 1TB drive in the S3 before running mfsadd to marry the newly created 1TB internal drive to the other (as yet untouched) 1TB drive to be mounted in the Antec case.

    There is, then, clearly an error in the FAQ, or at least an omission.

    It's not clear to me either how I married the 1TB to the 750GB, but I'm happy I was able to undo it. (Just noted your edit; mfsadd must have been the culprit!)

    Right now the PC is reporting WinMFS as "not responding," but the indicator lights on the USB-to-SATA adapters are blinking away just as they did before "not responding" showed up. Whether I'll be able to tell the copying has completed is an open question. Oh, how I wish there were a Mac-native version of all of this. I dread the unpredictability of Windows ("not responding" when it actually is, I think) every time I'm forced to use it.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2007 #505 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    The original question was not exactly clear regarding what he was attempting to do (upgrading the internal and adding an external). But in his case, the FAQ is missing the copy step for upgrading the internal drive.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2007 #506 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    Well, in my own defense, I thought I asked clearly: "I'm in the midst of performing this upgrade, with the intention of adding an additional Seagate 1TB drive in an Antec MX-1 enclosure as an external drive. I'm using the instructions in III,9 and III,10 of the FAQ, for which, by the way, I thank all involved." (Boldface added.)
     
  7. Dec 1, 2007 #507 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thank you for catching that. While editing that FAQ question, I accidentally removed the line for mfscopy.

    Fixed.
     
  8. Dec 1, 2007 #508 of 10248
    jlib

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    Yeah, don't worry about it. No big deal. We got it straightened out. I was just letting lhorer know that I, too, initially didn't catch that you were adding an internal drive, too. This is the eSATA expansion drive thread so that is mainly what people have on their minds.
     
  9. Dec 1, 2007 #509 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    Thanks, bkdtv! Happy to have (inadvertently!) helped to correct the FAQ!

    I've terminated the mfscopy (because I couldn't see what was going on), and I've now restarted it with the Windows screensaver turned off.

    This has turned into a much longer project than I expected, but I genuinely appreciate the prompt responses my fellow posters here.
     
  10. Dec 1, 2007 #510 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    No problem here either. As I mentioned in my reply to bkdtv, thanks for your prompt responses.
     
  11. Dec 1, 2007 #511 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad you were able to get the help you were looking for...there are great people here. :up: :up:

    I'm certain you'll be able to get it going, no reason for it not to work. Let us know how it's going and then what you're going to do with all of that newly-found recording space! :eek: :D
     
  12. Dec 1, 2007 #512 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    So, uh, when you turn the screensaver off in the appropriate Windows control panel, why does it still appear? :confused:

    Now, as before, if I get rid of the screensaver, the WinMFS windows are blank. (Just love Windows! :mad:) The drive adapter lights are blinking as before, so I suppose I'll just persevere this time.
     
  13. Dec 2, 2007 #513 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    Agreed!

    I've terminated the mfscopy again. Once again, I'm unable to see what's going on, as the WinMFS windows are blank after recovering from the Windows screensaver.

    Further, the ancient (PIII) Windows box I'm using (we're a Mac shop exclusively; it's a friend's old cast-off) has only USB 1.1 ports. A little research showed that the interminable transfer rate would cause the 750GB transfer to take something like 6 days! I have a USB 2.0 PCI card on order. At about 40 times the transfer rate, the copy will still take several hours, but, at least, it will be manageable. (Yes, I could have ordered a more expensive eSATA card, but I've already got the USB-to-SATA adapters mentioned in bkdtv's FAQ.)

    So, for now, the 750GB drive goes back into the TiVo S3 until I can start this process again. Stay tuned!

    Just as a matter of note, it might helpful for future users if the FAQ included some information on transfer rates, or, at least, a caution against using USB 1.1 for large data transfers.
     
  14. Dec 2, 2007 #514 of 10248
    Clentz

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    I used an Antec MX-1 case & a 1TM Hitachi drive (Same cable that had been purchased from BB, as the Costco drive had none)

    Carl
     
  15. Dec 2, 2007 #515 of 10248
    jlib

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    If using WinMFS becomes painfully inconvenient just burn a CD of the MFS Live boot disk. It is a self-contained Linux system which will not affect your Windows hard drive. You can also use it to set the quiet mode on the drives.
     
  16. Dec 2, 2007 #516 of 10248
    Bodie

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    Copied the original 250 GB to a 1TB yesterday using winMFS and the copy took about 5 hours on USB2.0 (using two external enclosures). The screens went white just by looking at another window. My guess is there is no redraw in the algorithm for copying.
     
  17. Dec 2, 2007 #517 of 10248
    Bodie

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    How much difference is there? Is it worth pulling the drive to set quiet mode if there isn't really any noise now?
     
  18. Dec 2, 2007 #518 of 10248
    Burt Spielman

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    Thanks for the heads up on copying time. I'm happy to hear I'm not alone in seeing white screens.
     
  19. Dec 2, 2007 #519 of 10248
    jlib

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    Not if you discern no head seek noise.
     
  20. Dec 2, 2007 #520 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Okay, understood about your current setup. :up:

    However you mentioned the Costco drive again and so we're still not clear about your original statement.

    Did you buy the referenced WD My Book Home Edition eSATA HDD from Costco and connect it to your Series3? If so did it not work and if not, can you tell us what happened?

    If in fact that drive does not work for some reason (again, AFAIK there's no reason it wouldn't) a factual statement to that effect would be helpful to others. If it was some other drive, that's fine...just let us know.

    Thanks.
     

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