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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 27, 2010 #5101 of 10248
    lex3001

    lex3001 New Member

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    A UPS will not outlast most of our power outages, and won't help with the need to cold boot after the TiVo crashes during Netflix viewing, which is the problem we usually have.
     
  2. Feb 27, 2010 #5102 of 10248
    lex3001

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    Do you have specific model # recommendations? My requirements:
    - 1.5 TB
    - Quiet
    - TiVo compatible for sure

    I don't mind running a utility to modify the firmware if its available and will work. The list of supported hard drives in the FAQ mentions several 1.5 TB drives but says they are all noisy. Grr. Central Computer has one of the models (Seagate) on sale right now for under $110, and I was thinking of driving over to SF to buy it today, but it's probably noisier than I would like.
    Thanks!
     
  3. Feb 27, 2010 #5103 of 10248
    lex3001

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    FYI Here are some models to consider:
    Noisy but listed on the FAQ:
    http://www.centralcomputers.com/com...-1-5tb-sata300--st31500341as-drisea31501s.htm

    Not sure:
    http://www.centralcomputers.com/com...tb-sata-3gbps-64mb--wd15ears-driwd-15ears.htm

    And these, not sure which would work:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&N=2010150014 103530090 1035324341&name=1.5TB
     
  4. Feb 27, 2010 #5104 of 10248
    Jaze

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    Thanks, lads. So far, no luck.

    I tried a new cable, and it looked like it had worked. Then, an hour or two later, it crashed again, the TiVo rebooted to No External Media Detected; when this began to happen a few days ago, it rebooted to the usual home screen, now it seems to almost always reboot to the External Storage Missing.

    I can't get the Kickstarts to work because, if I hold pause during the initial reboot, it flashed the amber light for perhaps two seconds before proceeding with the "Just a few minutes more" message.

    At the moment, it seems to be able to handle one thing - playback or live viewing, but if I try to record, it seems to reboot.

    I think the writing's on the wall...
     
  5. Feb 27, 2010 #5105 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Whichever you choose, you won't be able use the whole 1.5TB utilizing the current tools (WinMFS ...). I think the max is the original size plus 1TiB. You can purchase a custom made DIY-ready job on eBay, however. Going that route you may just consider the 2.0TB model but it all depends on your budget ...
     
  6. Feb 27, 2010 #5106 of 10248
    sjmyst

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    Well, here's an update in case someone else runs in to this. I went ahead and used my failing internal 1tb disk (Seagate Barracuda) to copy my recordings over to my 1.5tb disk (Seagate Barracuda ST315005N4A1AS-RK) using WinMFS 9.3f. I set the MfsSuperSize option to "yes". I selected MFSCopy from the menu. I selected my 1tb drive as my source and my 1.5tb drive as my destination and selected "Copy". I came back in the morning and there was a popup that asked if I wanted to expand my drive. I selected "Yes". I then got the popup that was hidden (I had to pull it up from the task bar) that warns me that I can't go above 1tb and asks if I want to limit the drive to 1tb. I answered 'Yes' like the FAQ said. And, that was it. I popped the drive back into my S3, and brought it up. The S3 now says I have 213 HD hours of recording time. It had said 142 HD hours before. Doing the math, it appears the S3 is using my full 1.5tb of space for recordings.

    I guess I'll have to see how it runs. But, after a couple of hours, I don't see any problems.

    Anybody have any comments why the S3 would say it's using all of the 1.5tb even though the FAQ says an S3 is limited to 1.35tb? Am I going to run into problems when the recordings get to the end of the disk (reboots?)?

    As an internal drive, this 1.5 Seagate appears to be much quieter than my 1tb drive was (perhaps because that drive had problems all along?). If I stand 6 or 7 feet from the S3 with all sound muted on the TV, I really can't hear the 1.5tb drive. If I put my head up close to the S3, I can hear the drive working, so it's not completely quiet. But, I'm pretty happy with the level of sound (I've had many other drives that have been much louder).

    Steve
     
  7. Feb 27, 2010 #5107 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    A 1.0TB drive without MfsSupersize = 142-144 HD hours.
    A 1.0TB drive with MfsSupersize = 157 HD hours.
    A 1.35TB drive with MfsSupersize = 157 * 1.35 = 212-213 HD hours

    Your drive is correctly limited to 1.35TB so it should work fine.
     
  8. Feb 28, 2010 #5108 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'd recommend the WD15EARS if you're comfortable dealing with the Intellipark "feature".

    BTW, I'd stay away from the Seagate 1.5TB Pipeline model. I've returned three of them...one was DOA, one wouldn't format and the other had the "click of death". I didn't do my homework...there are hundreds of posts about problems with them.

    There are a number of UPS options that will last hours if needed. It sounds like you have a very unstable power (and network?) source. Even if it's a long outage a UPS will protect your TiVo far better than any surge protector when it comes to fluctuations, spikes, brownouts, etc., some of which you may not even be aware of. A power conditioner will provide even better protection against data corruption or outright frying of the unit. Again, it's inexpensive insurance, but it's your TiVo of course.
     
  9. Feb 28, 2010 #5109 of 10248
    CUtgr90

    CUtgr90 New Member

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    Got a quick question on Series 3 upgrades.. I have model TCD648250B that I upgraded a few years ago with a 1Tb drive. No problems with the drive but the HDMI port has gone south. Before sending it back I will extract my 1Tb drive and insert the original. When I get the replacement Tivo is there any issue with just replacing its internal drive with my existing 1Tb?
     
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  11. Feb 28, 2010 #5111 of 10248
    pl1

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    Yes, there are issues. First of all, since the drive came from a different unit, you will see a hardware error once you start up the unit. You must then "clear and delete". This also means that you will lose your cableCARD pairing info (if that is important). AAMOF, you will lose everything including all of your saved recordings.

    EDIT: So, what I recommend you do is, set up your new machine the way you want it, including with cableCARDs if needed, and THEN copy it with WMFS to your 1tb drive. That way you have an original copy.
     
  12. Feb 28, 2010 #5112 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    For all that hassle and the price of getting a replacement (and losing all your recordings) I think I would just switch to the component video connection.
     
  13. Feb 28, 2010 #5113 of 10248
    richsadams

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    +1 :up: There is little to no difference in PQ...although you would have to run a separate audio connection to your TV or receiver (good time to upgrade to optical/TOSlink?). Otherwise do what pl1 recommended.

    BTW are you certain the HDMI connector on your TiVo is bad? That's very rare...not saying it couldn't happen but more often than not it's just a bad cable. Curious as to what it's doing (or not doing) exactly.
     
  14. Feb 28, 2010 #5114 of 10248
    CUtgr90

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    Thanks for the quick responses.. It looks like the recommendation is to configure the new Tivo then use the standard upgrade process to utilize the 1Tb drive. I am not too concerned about the recordings on my existing 1Tb drive since I can transfer to a PC or my other Series 3. Just out of curiosity does WinMFS support the copy of recordings from my old 1Tb drive to the newly upgraded 1Tb drive?

    As for my HDMI problem I am fairly certain that I have diagnosed it properly. I have a configuration where the Tivo is in a stereo cabinet across the room from the TV. I have a 40ft HDMI cable running under the floor in the crawl space. We had a power outage that killed the TV. After it was repaired there was no HDMI audio from Tivo. I have verified this with 2 different cables. In fact sometimes there is no video either. So to validate I pulled the Tivo out of the cabinet and connected directly to the TV with 6ft HDMI cable. The result was no video or audio regardless of the HDMI port used on the TV. I then took the Tivo to two other HD TVs in the house and was not able to get audio or video. Next I tested my second Series 3 with the 6ft and 40ft HDMI cables and this worked with no problems. So now I am using my second Tivo in the stereo cabinet and have the bad-HDMI Tivo in another room where component video is an option. I briefly considered running component video and optical audio but the cost of these cables in 40ft lengths plus the hassle of dealing with multiple crawl spaces make this less than desirable.

    Once I determined that the HDMI port was the problem I called Tivo to check my options. Since the Tivo is less than 3 years old they have a $149 replacement fee with no transfer charge for my lifetime service. If I wait beyond the 3years it will cost me $149 plus $199 to transfer service. My experience with WinMFS has been very positive so I am not concerned with the hassle of upgrading the new machine. I just wanted to see if I could cut a few corners when configuring the new machine.

    Thanks again for the replies..
     
  15. Feb 28, 2010 #5115 of 10248
    pl1

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    WinMFS will only clone a disk or make a truncated backup with no video recordings, for the same TiVo box. But, if you change the hardware, clear and delete is your only option. Then you wipe all of the recordings out. I do not know of any utility that can copy just the recordings for you.
     
  16. Feb 28, 2010 #5116 of 10248
    lex3001

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    Anyone gotten WDIDLE3 to work on a Dell E6400 laptop? I have the WD drive hooked up with eSATA. Tried IRRT and AHCI modes, both times it does not see any WD drive (but the BIOS sees it). ATA mode in the BIOS does not work either but it says that mode doesn't support eSATA anyway. The AHCI mode did see my Seagate laptop drive, but that was it.

    Anyone got spare computer I can borrow tonight? ;-)
     
  17. Feb 28, 2010 #5117 of 10248
    lex3001

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    Yeah -- I've got 1.35TB utilized on the Samsung 1.5TB drive I am using now -- at least I am getting 180 hours of HD in the settings. Now I want to swtich to another HD, I'll just do a direct copy of the drive.
     
  18. Mar 1, 2010 #5118 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah got it. Agreed, your diagnosis of the HDMI problem is almost certainly correct. $149 to get a "brand new" TiVo w/lifetime service is a good deal.
     
  19. Mar 1, 2010 #5119 of 10248
    lex3001

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    Fortunately I was able to get WDIDLE3 to run on a desktop at my office with an eSATA port. This machine is a few years old but required I change the SATA configuration to IDE. Unfortunately no such setting on the newer Dell laptops... but now I should be ready to go with the new drive.

    My plan:

    Do a bit for bit copy of the existing Samsung 1.5TB drive in my TiVo to the new WD 1.5TB drive. Put in the new WD drive and test out that I can restart the TiVo with a soft restart (make sure WDIDLE3 worked), and make sure I can restart after a couple of hard reboots (make sure it fixes the problem I have with the Samsung EcoGreen drive -- which by the way does not have the problem if you put the TiVo in standby before unplugging it).

    Anyone recommend the best tool to copy one drive to the other? WinMFS or just something like CloneZilla or dd?
     
  20. Mar 1, 2010 #5120 of 10248
    cjv2

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    For what it's worth, in my first stab at upgrade I *tried* to use SelfImage to clone the original 160GB drive onto a 1TB WD, and then intended to use WinMFS to expand to use all the space on the new drive.

    The image went as planned, and the copy was usable. But when I went to use WinMFS on the copy to expand the usable space, the expansion operation crashed WinMFS, jazzed up the partition table, and that was the end of that. I wound up taking a more traditional path (WinMFS truncated backup/restore) to get the 1TB up and running.

    What was interesting about the exercise was this - on the 1TB drive, the partition boundaries from the successful clone did *not* match the partition boundaries on the successful truncated restore. That suggested to me that something about doing an image restore was behind the subsequent failure-to-expand. I never figured it out though.
     

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