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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 25, 2010 #5081 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    That is curious. I suppose it's remotely possible that there is something about both drives that might be giving TiVo some heartburn. Were they both manufactured on the same date...and do the various specs on the drive label match?

    The next thing I'd try is to reinstall the original hard drive and let it run for a while and see what happens.
     
  2. Feb 25, 2010 #5082 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin New Member

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    The "positive spin" here is that perhaps TiVo and WD finally did some failure analysis and have now released a "stealth upgrade" new product that will be more reliable.

    Yeah, I know, not likely, but still ...
     
  3. Feb 25, 2010 #5083 of 10248
    daveak

    daveak Series 3 Novice

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    DOS Boot, I saw that movie. :D
     
  4. Feb 25, 2010 #5084 of 10248
    MrMike1876

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    Thank you for the advice. I will try that to see if there is an issue. I tried the diagnostic Kickstart 54 test to see if there was an issue with the drives - and they seemed to pass those test.

    I will try and see if this endless restart happens after I disconnect the External Hard Drive.

    I guess I will have to redo the Marry process. To be sure.

    To answer your question - i was checking all the settings to see if it connected to the tivo service - and it said it failed...i initially connected the adapter incorrectly.

    -mike :)
     
  5. Feb 25, 2010 #5085 of 10248
    cjv2

    cjv2 New Member

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    *utters arcane incantations*

    PUFF OF SMOKE

    Look, Flight Simulator, on green screen, on 2 5.25" floppy drives!

    PUFF OF SMOKE

    Zork III, you say?

    PUFF OF SMOKE

    some guy at IBM says to some guy not from IBM: "Why would we want to buy your operating system for our hardware? Go ahead, sell it yourselves and see what happens. Good luck with that."

    PUFF OF SMOKE

    *wanders off...* :eek:
     
  6. Feb 25, 2010 #5086 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    ROFLMAO :D
     
  7. Feb 25, 2010 #5087 of 10248
    reubanks

    reubanks New Member

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    So, was the arcane incantation PLUGH or XYZZY?

    Randy
     
  8. Feb 25, 2010 #5088 of 10248
    cjv2

    cjv2 New Member

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    It was something like:

    10 INPUT X
    20 PRINT$ "PUFF OF SMOKE"
    30 FOR I = 1 to X
    40 classified
    50 classified
    60 classified
    70 classified
    80 PRINT$ "PUFF OF SMOKE"
    90 NEXT I
    100 PRINT$ "*wanders off...* :eek:"
    110 END

    *hides small stack of vintage software*

    :D
     
  9. Feb 26, 2010 #5089 of 10248
    S3-2501

    S3-2501 New Member

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    c:\DOS
    C:\DOS\RUN\
    RUN\DOS\RUN


    An oldie but a goodie;)
     
  10. Feb 26, 2010 #5090 of 10248
    cjv2

    cjv2 New Member

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    Hehe, I like that one :)
     
  11. Feb 26, 2010 #5091 of 10248
    Defender90

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    Wanted to put my two cents. After questioning my manhood because of my intention to add eSata to my S3, I opted to hunker down and do the internal drive upgrade. I was very close to upgrading internal and adding external at the same time but chickened out at the last minute. My wife was breathing down my neck since we were out of space and I was told in no uncertain terms what would happen if she had to watch another low-def American Idol.

    So I followed the directions, all worked perfectly and it all made sense once I went through it. I used the Samsung F3 HD103SJ. For the copying of the drives, I purchased a dual dock (Kingwin EZ-Dock2 Model#EZD2536). Worked fine, but I have no experience with this so I don't have anything to compare it to. It only came with the required power and USB hookup.

    I did the AAM noise reduction as well. It's only been a few hours, but so far everything is perfect and the machine is very quiet.

    A few comments/requests based on my personal experience. A lot of this stuff is probably available if you read every post, but if someone jumps directly to the instructions, they may not have all the info.

    1. Should highlight that drive copy time will be in the 4-5 hour range. I know this might be a "duh" for experienced people, but based on the quoted time on the directions, I didn't even think about it since I've never copied a hard drive--thought it happened quicker. I ended up having to get up early to finish and put it all together before the kids missed their Mickey Mouse.

    2. AAM reduction worked easily. I did this first, before anything else. Since that FAQ is in a different place, you may want to post the note that Windows will not "see" the external drive attached, but HDDScan will. As a novice, I kept wondering why it wasn't being seen, and after rebooting a few times finally just tried it and there it was. I honestly wondered if I needed to format or something.

    3. May want to highlight why the magnetic tip Torx are helpful. I had a hard time finding them, so bought some Stanley that were not magnetic. I didn't realize how valuable it would have been for the 4 drive dock screws because they were hard to reach.

    4. I was confused on the truncated backup why it wasn't copying. In my case, I just needed to provide a file name. Again, I know for most this is a "duh", but I kept wondering if something was wrong. Also might be helpful to know the rough size of the file (mine was 287mb) and duration (about 5 minutes).

    I know these are picky, but I am a perfect example of probably a lot of novices out there. Overall, this forum was awesome...I have a few more questions I'll post later. Will let you know if I ever have problems with the Sammy, and if others out there use this drive please let us all know.

    D90
     
  12. Feb 26, 2010 #5092 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Very nice report and some good suggestions. :up: I think the only challenge would be posting a standard time for those copying recordings. The connection will have a big impact (SATA Vs eSATA Vs USB) as well as the content...a full drive, partial, etc. Other than that, good stuff!

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  13. Feb 26, 2010 #5093 of 10248
    lex3001

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    I've got a call into Samsung tech support to see if they can provide me a utility to tweak the settings. From my initial two calls, it doesn't look promising. Now, trying to decide which 1.5TB drive to replace it with and my Sammy will become my NAS drive on my PogoPlug. Seems like the 1.5TB choices are either noisy or have power saving features. Maybe I should go the WD route and use the utility to turn off the power save?
     
  14. Feb 26, 2010 #5094 of 10248
    lex3001

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    My drive (HD154UI) has similar features including power saving mode. Mine also worked great at first, however I have found an alarmingly annoying problem. Whenever the TiVo loses power -- either because their horrible Netflix player caused to hang and I had to unplug it, or when we have a power outage, it will not boot back up properly more than 75% of the time. Hangs in the first screen or goes to a blank gray screen and hangs.

    I have found a workaround is to plug the drive back into an external USB case and restore the boot+kernal using WinMFS. I suspect that restoring only the boot might be necessary -- or perhaps simply plugging it in and using it may be necessary (to get it out of some weird power saving mode perhaps). Then TiVo boots fine again.

    So, I suggest you test it out -- unplug your TiVO, wait 30 seconds, and plug it back in. See if it boots. Try this a few times. Better to know now than right before the season finale of Lost is about to start. Lemme know what you find out.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2010 #5095 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'd go with the WD or a Hitachi (HD31000 IDK/7K) and leave the Sammy in the NAS. :up:
     
  16. Feb 26, 2010 #5096 of 10248
    richsadams

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    :eek: A UPS is a MUST! Power outages/failures/spikes are the #1 culprit when it comes to data corruption and hard drive failure. A UPS can be really cheap insurance. :)
     
  17. Feb 27, 2010 #5097 of 10248
    daverx7

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    This can happen to any hard drive in any particular environment. Yeah, I am bummed that it happened, but it is not enough to scare me off of trying the drive again. Now if it happens again with the new exact model drive that I just ordered from Newegg, I will let you guys know and try something else.

    Well... I did check back about 24 hours later and the TivoHD was back to life. I didn't look to see what I was able to keep with the internal 1TB drive. It will be interesting to see what survived.

    Happy to do so... and I will report back on how they handled my warranty claim as well (still no reply yet).

    -Dave
     
  18. Feb 27, 2010 #5098 of 10248
    Jaze

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    I feel a little foolish adding this to a thread where guys are constantly ripping open their Tivo's and jamming huge new drives into them, but I don't know where else to post it.

    My Tivo Series 3 with My DVR Expander eSATA external drive has recently begun to have problems. It has begun rebooting increasingly frequently, and now, once the reboot has finished, has begun to flash the "External Media Missing" alert.

    I figured that there'd be a sticky in this area telling me step by step what I should do to diagnose and remedy the problem, but can't find it. Does anyone know where I could find something like that? I bet it's a pretty common problem.

    I'm worried that my external HD is ready for a dirt nap.
     
  19. Feb 27, 2010 #5099 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    I concur with your diagnosis. There's not a lot you can do. Try to save any recordings to a PC with TiVo Desktop or a similar tool and divorce the external drive. Consider an internal upgrade.
     
  20. Feb 27, 2010 #5100 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Oh come on...man up and rip that box open! Kidding. ;) A very basic first step is to just reboot everything...

    - Unplug your TiVo from the power source
    - Turn off your external hard drive and let it spin down (give it about 15 seconds)
    - Check to be sure the eSATA cable is secure/snug at the drive and TiVo end
    - Turn your external hard drive back on and let it spin up (10 seconds or so)
    - Plug your TiVo back in
    - See how it goes

    Often times just rebooting will do the trick. However if that doesn't do it, have a look at one of my earlier posts and see if it helps:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    You can also try running some of TiVo's built in diagnostic and repair programs called Kickstarts. More here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    KS54 will check both drives for errors. It's not infallible but can often find some issues. KS57 and KS58 are designed to hunt down and fix minor problems. Anything beyond that requires...yes...opening something.

    If that doesn't do it go ahead and post some more info and some of the brilliant minds that haunt this thread will certainly offer some assistance. I can't promise someone won't kick sand at you as they walk by, but they're usually pretty good folks. :)

    Best of luck!
     

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