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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 21, 2010 #5041 of 10248
    pl1

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    Well, I admit that makes feel a little better. Worst case, I would just have to get an Instacake image, I guess. No sense worrying about it now!
     
  2. Feb 21, 2010 #5042 of 10248
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    That's not a bad idea, but it shouldn't time out...as long as there is activity. According to the OP activity ceases at about the same point every time. If that's the case, there's a problem. That's why watching winMFS via Task Manager or Process Explorer is a good idea. You can easily see if there is any activity. Trying it another way certainly couldn't hurt though.
     
  3. Feb 21, 2010 #5043 of 10248
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    Yep, sounds like there was a little data corruption which TiVo was able to resolve so things should be fine. As you say, worst case you can always start fresh with IC. Enjoy!
     
  4. Feb 21, 2010 #5044 of 10248
    pl1

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    Good point WRT the same point of failure. I agree with your assessment.
     
  5. Feb 21, 2010 #5045 of 10248
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    Exactly. Just wanted to give an extra warning since chestnu1 explicitly mentioned feeling comfortable using the WD green drives but also mentioned using a USB-SATA adapter.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2010 #5046 of 10248
    zeke009

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    I have a 250GB SATA drive (Western Digital WD2500AAKS) drive I recently removed from my PC. A larger drive might be in my future at a later date, for now this will work though.

    I picked up a Vantec Nextstar 3 (NST-360SU-BK) eSATA enclosure on sale recently and threw that old system drive of mine in there. Attached it to TiVO HD and it says it is unsupported and can not be used.

    I never reformatted the drive, so Windows 7 and NTFS are still in play. Is it an issue of the formatting on the drive and TiVo not taking over and reconfiguring or is this enclosure now blocked?

    Any ideas?
     
  7. Feb 21, 2010 #5047 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    Read the FAQ in the 1st post, you'll find this.

    II. Officially Supported External Drives (also known as "TiVo Verified" drives)

    This section is devoted to officially supported expansion drives.

    1. What drives does TiVo officially support?

    At this time, TiVo only supports the Western Digital "My DVR Expander." This product is currently available in a 1.0TB version.

    On the TivoHD and TivoHD XL, the Western Digital "My DVR Expander" is the only external drive that will work without opening the unit and voiding the warranty.
     
  8. Feb 22, 2010 #5048 of 10248
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    Hi,

    I have a Series 3 that has a 1tb internal disk that is failing (pauses, glitches, the usual disk failing symtoms). The 1tb disk was expanded from the original internal disk. I've purchased a 1.5tb disk that I'd like to use as the replacement internal disk. From the reading, it seems I can use up to 1.35 of this disk. But, there seems to be a limitation that in order to use 1.35tb (instead of 1.1tb), I have to upgrade from my original non-expanded 250gb disk using WinMFS. Is there any way to keep what I can of the recordings from the failing 1tb disk and use 1.35tb of my new 1.5tb disk (perhaps, a tool that just copies my recordings from my 1tb disk to the 1.5tb disk after it's been set up to use 1.35tb)?

    Also, I'm still looking, but right now I can't seem to locate my original 250gb disk. If it turns out I can't find that disk. Am I stuck with only using 1.1tb instead of 1.35tb of my new 1.5tb disk (every little bit helps)?

    I saw the following post that kind of implied that an upgrade from a 1tb to the 1.35tb could be done. I can't post a link to the thread. But, the post number was 7493341 for those that know the url. In the post mmmesq said "...and it bumped my HD hours from 142 to 198" on his S3. I've got the same disk as mmmesq, so it seems mmmesq somehow upgraded from a 1tb disk (my 1tb currently says it has 143tb HD hours) to using 1.35tb of a 1.5tb disk. But, I could be reading too much into the hours comment.

    Thanks in advance for any help.
    Steve
     
  9. Feb 22, 2010 #5049 of 10248
    zeke009

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    I've read the FAQ a few times, but since My DVR Expander has all but disappeared from store shelves or is selling for more than double the posted price at Western Digital I looked elsewhere.

    I've seen the 1TB model for $300 on ebay or Amazon compared the the $159 "Out of Stock" price on WD.
     
  10. Feb 22, 2010 #5050 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    You can still use the drive but not as a Plug and Play Drive. You would have to install it using the directions in the FAQ.

    I forgot to answer your question about the enclosure being blocked. The Tivo is looking at the model number of the drive located in the drives firmware, it doesn't care about the enclosure.
     
  11. Feb 22, 2010 #5051 of 10248
    zeke009

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    I'll have to try again tonight after I clear the drive of any formatting (Win7 64bit was installed on this drive).

    I tried a few times as directed yesterday, but each time TiVo recognized the drive it and prompted me to configure it I received a message stating it was unsupported and could not proceed.

    Thanks folks.
     
  12. Feb 22, 2010 #5052 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    You don't have to clear the drive of any formatting. I think you may be following the instructions for a supported WD My DVR Expander. You can't do that with a Tivo HD and the drive you want to install. You have to follow the instructions in Sec V 10 of the FAQ for adding an external unsupported drive or Sec V for adding an internal drive.

    You cannot plug that drive into the external ESATA port and have it work. You will get the message that it is unsupported and cannot proceed. You have to follow the installation procedure for an unsupported drive.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2010 #5053 of 10248
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    It's an unmodified Tivo HD and I had the Tivo and eSATA powered off, made the connection and powered the eSATA drive on and then Tivo HD after letting the eSATA power up. Section IV - 7

    Tivo saw the external drive and prompted me to configure it. Once I attempted to configure it I received the message about it being unsupported.

    Are you saying that I need to run the WinMFS tool on the unmodified Tivo drive and eSATA drive as listed in Section IV - 10 (#10. What is the method to add an eSATA drive if I previously upgraded my TiVo?)?

    Sorry for all the questions, I thought I had followed the guide to purchase a safe enclosure and have a good chance of getting some extra storage until My DVR resurfaces or I can get a larger drive.
     
  14. Feb 22, 2010 #5054 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, the title is a bit confusing in that section but the method works with unmodified TiVo HD's as well. What you are doing is associating or "marrying" an unsupported external hard drive with the OEM TiVo hard drive. Since TiVo HD's only allow the WD My DVR Expander to be "married" via plug and play you have to go through a manual process to get any other external hard drive to work.

    Again most people opt to simply replace the internal drive with a larger one since the TiVo hard drive has to be pulled anyway and put the original hard drive on the shelf as a backup. That would be my recommendation. It removes one additional failure point and is a much cleaner setup IMHO. Were it me I'd return the Vantec enclosure for credit, buy one of the 1TB drives recommended in the FAQ (<$90), use your original drive to image it (Section V, #22) and install it in your TiVo HD. It's almost the same amount of work as marrying an external drive and you'll have a whole lot more real estate for recordings and basically a brand new TiVo.
     
  15. Feb 22, 2010 #5055 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    zeke009, what Rich said:up:. He always says it clearer and better than me.
     
  16. Feb 22, 2010 #5056 of 10248
    lex3001

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    I have a general question about the recommended drives and what symptoms are of a non-compatible drive.

    I upgraded using a Samsung 1.5 TB drive. I have not had any problems after the upgrade that I did not have before the upgrade. (Netflix streaming intermittently causes the TiVo to hang, requiring power off/on -- its happened 4 times in December, including before I upgraded the drive).

    Here is my question:
    Sometimes if the TiVo loses power (power outage) or gets hard rebooted (disconnected or powered back on after a hang), it WILL NOT BOOT (either hangs at first screen or at gray screen of death) until I use the WinMFS utility to restore the boot from backup. Then it boots back up fine (sometimes with a reboot in the process, sometimes not). My question is this: if I switch from the Samsung drive to one of the recommended drives, will the chances of the TiVo recovering all by itself after a hang or power outage be improved? If so, why? (In other words, will it be worth all the time, cost, and hassle of switching to another drive for these scenarios.) Again I'll note that I have never had an issue with the drive in regular use -- but after the power is pulled and after one of my Netflix hangs I have had to physically open the box and restore the boot using WinMFS to get my TiVo HD up and running again. That's pretty annoying, but better than getting a new TiVo ;-)
     
  17. Feb 22, 2010 #5057 of 10248
    zeke009

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    Thank you for the help guys. I'm not sure if I want to risk voiding the warranty with an upgraded internal drive, mostly because I can't afford to replace the unit should it fail mechanically or through my own doing.

    Amazingly I managed to find a 1TB WD My DVR Expander online. While the cost is a bit more than buying a bare drive, it might be my safer option for the time being.

    Again, thank you for your time and patience with all my questions!
     
  18. Feb 22, 2010 #5058 of 10248
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    Hmmm... that sounds pretty frustrating. IMO if you are seeing the same issues w/Netflix before and after the upgrade, then it most likely doesn't have anything to do with the hard drive.

    That said I tried upgrading our TiVo HD with a Sammy 1TB Spinpoint last year and could never get past the gray screen you mention. I have no idea why because others have used the same drive since and have apparently been fine with it. I put the Sammy in an external USB drive enclosure and am using it as a backup drive for a computer now and it works fine. No matter how I imaged it (basic backup, w/recordings, etc.) it would just never boot up properly.

    So I don't think you have anything to lose going with a recommended drive at this point (I'm really liking the Hitachi 31000 IDK/7K ...tune the AAM to 128 to make it a little more quiet). But I don't think it will cure the Netflix problem (sounds more like a network issue to me) but you never know.
     
  19. Feb 22, 2010 #5059 of 10248
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    Ah shucks...<kicking instep> ;)
     
  20. Feb 23, 2010 #5060 of 10248
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    Update. Like you, Spike also assured me I was fine since a truncated backup reverts to the original size.

    So, I just copied my original 160g to a new 1000g WD drive and expanded it successfully. The WD drive had an Oct 09 date, so I ran the idle disabler just in case. The first boot up went perfectly smooth.

    This is getting so easy I can practically do an upgrade with my eyes closed. ;) And, it really seems to me that if a person is capable enough to upgrade their drive, they should have no problem running the idle disabler. Meaning, I think these WD drives should be included in the list more prominently with a disclaimer. Mostly because they are WHISPER quiet. But, hey, that's just me.
     

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