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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 20, 2010 #5021 of 10248
    richsadams

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    When you say "clear the format" what do you mean...what are you doing exactly? winMFS formats the drive automatically so I'm wondering what you are doing and if it's affecting your ability to make a copy.

    Per the others, copying via USB can take quite a while and IIRC you can ignore the time counter as it can change often and not be accurate. If you watch your system's activity (under Task Manager or better yet Process Explorer) and winMFS is showing activity all should go well. It is possible that your new drive has some bad sectors and the copy process is being stopped at that point. Did you happen to run a drive diagnostic like WD's Lifeguard? If you still have trouble with it you might want to give that a try.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  2. Feb 20, 2010 #5022 of 10248
    GrayeDog

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    So, I did the restore from truncated backup, and the new drive took it just fine. Plugged it in, TiVo started fine. Tried a soft reboot from the menu, and that started up fine. Which is great. I figured I'd give it another go with WinMFS.

    I figured out during this that the "Clear Format" option is just to tell the drive it's not a TiVo drive anymore. I did this to the drive, then went to WinMFS and did the Mfscopy from my TiVo to the new drive. Everything was going well, the counter was using normal numbers, and it made it significantly farther than it had previously. However, it's been stuck at 00:39:45 or so for at least an hour. I saw that it's not a big deal if the counter is going, but the process is showing 0% CPU in taskmanager. I can feel the drives are still going, and the LED light on my dock (which has the original TiVo drive plugged in) flickers occasionally, but it doesn't seem to be moving.

    Anyone have any suggestions? All I can think of now are
    1) Let it run, hope for the best, or 2) Start over and try it again.

    That comment about a bad sector seems to make sense as to why it can't get through -- is there any way to fix something like that? Or is it a hardware issue that's going to come up during use even if I don't copy over my recordings and just use the backup? Thanks again everyone.
     
  3. Feb 20, 2010 #5023 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The software and recordings are stored on different parts of the drive, and if the part of the drive with the recordings is in bad shape, you may not be able to perform a full backup. If that is the case, you can only backup the software and settings.

    I assume you've already disabled any security and antivirus programs, as those can interfere with the backup process. Just to be sure such programs are disabled, you might reboot Windows in safe mode and try the WinMFS backup from there.
     
  4. Feb 20, 2010 #5024 of 10248
    fljoe

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    Hi nab2z,

    In case you are not satisfied with the 3720 seconds idle timer setting,
    can you please try and download the wdidle3 ver 1.0 that drey posted:
    http://home.arcor.de/ghostadmin/wdidle3_1_00.zip

    Then follow from Step 2: above and after you make the bootable CD, boot into DOS and run wdidle3 /D. You will definitely see "Idle Timer is disabled" with this old version 1.0 of wdidle3. I just tried it and it works. If the wdidle3 program hangs, just reboot your PC and try again .. I have seen it hang after I have issued wdidle3 /R to report the idle timer and a subsequent wdidle3 /D hung the program. A reboot cured it and I was able to do a wdidle3 /D after that.
     
  5. Feb 20, 2010 #5025 of 10248
    uTivo

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    Just replaced the stock 250GB drive in my S3 with a 750GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ( ST3750528AS F/W: CC38 ). Here's what I did:

    1. Created a truncated backup of the stock S3 drive using WinMFS "just in case."
    2. Ran the SeaTools 'Long Generic' sector test on the new drive to confirm it was not DoA.
    3. Performed a drive to drive backup/restore using the MFSLive v1.4 Linux boot CD. I couldn't use WinXP/WinMFS for the D2D copy since I didn't have enough SATA ports on my P4 to have both drives & my XP boot drive attached. Besides, I'm a grad of the TivoMad/Hinsdale howto days on my S1/S2, so it just felt right using the cmd line :).
    4. Booted back into XP & did the SuperSize in WinMFS.

    Now I have an S3 that reports its capacity as 116 HD hours! Just wanted to say thank you to all the developers & contributors who made this happen.
     
  6. Feb 20, 2010 #5026 of 10248
    Efranzen

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    I upgraded my drive tonight and just wanted to offer my profound thanks to bkdtv and others who came before me that developed this process to make it comically easy for the rest of us.

    I upgraded my TivoHD to 1TB using the Hitachi HD31000. I set the AAM to 128 as recommended and I can just barely hear the drive if I put my ear right next to the Tivo. With my TivoHD recording 2 HD channels and the volume on my receiver turned off, I can not hear the hard drive from anywhere in the room unless I get very close to the Tivo.

    The one small contribution I can make to this thread is a recommendation of a SATA to USB device for those of us that have to do the upgrade in this manner. In reading the various reviews at Newegg and other sites, it seems that many of the SATA to USB devices tend to be flaky at best, with some of them appearing to be outright dangerous with a risk of catching on fire. The one I used is made by Apricorn, and while it's a little more expensive than some others, it worked flawlessly for me. Here's a link to the one I used:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2161002&cm_re=apricorn-_-12-161-002-_-Product
     
  7. Feb 21, 2010 #5027 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah, the good old days. ;) Enjoy!
     
  8. Feb 21, 2010 #5028 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the feedback (especially on the Hitachi drive...which is rapidly approaching being a favorite, at least for me) and the recommendation. Apricorn makes some very good products.

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  9. Feb 21, 2010 #5029 of 10248
    pl1

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    I posted this question on mfslive.org, but I thought maybe I'd try here as well.

    I have a 1T drive I upgraded from an original 160g THD. All went well.

    I had new cableCARDs installed while the 1T drive was still installed. So, as a backup, I wanted to restore the cableCARD info to the 160g drive.

    I tried to copy the 1T to the 160g drive with WinMFS. Although it did complete, I noticed that WinMFS thought the 160g drive was also a 1T drive and there was an error message when trying to access it.

    So, instead I did a restore of the truncated 1T backup to the 160g drive. This worked fine. Except, when I booted up in the THD, with the 160g drive, it went from Power Up, to Almost There, back to Power Up, and then I got a 3 hour green screen repair message. It took about 10 minutes to repair, and rebooted normally, and everything appears to be working fine now.

    So now I have a few questions: Do you think this method worked successfully, or could there be problems down the road? Also, is there another way I should have handled this? From everything I've read (searching after the fact), I should not have even been allowed to do this anyway, at least based on what Ive seen regarding an Instacake restoration. Should I have used MFS tools maybe?
     
  10. Feb 21, 2010 #5030 of 10248
    GrayeDog

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    So, not all is well in upgrade land. I tried one more attempt with WinMFS in Safe Mode, but after 16 hours, it's still stuck at about 2/3 of the way through (which looks to be just about where it's gotten stuck every other attempt I've made). I downloaded the WD Lifeguard, and wanted to run the expanded test, but it looks like it's going to take 100 hours, since it's a 1Tb drive. I think I also remember seeing that, even when I did the truncated restore to the new drive, TiVo's settings said I only had 21 HD hours and 188 SD hours, which is totally wrong.

    It certainly seems like the new drive is the problem. Does anyone have any thoughts on anything else I can try, or can anyone agree that the drive might be the problem, so I can look into returning it and getting the Hitachi HD31000 from Amazon for $89.99?

    Thanks everyone.
     
  11. Feb 21, 2010 #5031 of 10248
    pl1

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    When the restore completes, you should have had a dialog box come up that asked if you wanted to expand the drive. You have to say Yes. And you can optionally do the expand after the fact. There is a drop down for that. Plus, you can also Supersize, adding even more space.
     
  12. Feb 21, 2010 #5032 of 10248
    ajburgh

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    A warning if you want to use a WD Green drive with a USB-SATA adapter.

    You probably will not be able to disable the intellipark with wdidle3 if you hook up the drive to a USB-SATA adapter. It will most likely need to be directly connected to a SATA port on the computer for wdidle3 to work.
     
  13. Feb 21, 2010 #5033 of 10248
    GrayeDog

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    One more question -- Let's say the drive is the problem in using WinMFS to transfer from one TiVo to the other. If I do a restore from truncated backup, and do the "expand drive" (which is clearly the step I forgot), am I going to see problems down the line in saving recordings? As in, if the drive has a bed sector or something similar, could that cause a problem later on even if I can successfully install it and get TiVo to start with the drive?
     
  14. Feb 21, 2010 #5034 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Correct, and it's possible that if you didn't see the dialog box it appeared behind the regular winMFS box. It's a bit of a bug that happens now and then but not always. Keeping the regular winMFS box to one side of your screen (or if you have multiple screens, on another screen) will ensure that you see everything that appears.
     
  15. Feb 21, 2010 #5035 of 10248
    rocko

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    Possibly. That's why it's a good idea to save the truncated backup as well as the original 160/250GB drive. Just in case.
     
  16. Feb 21, 2010 #5036 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That is correct. As stated in Section IV, #29 of the FAQ:

     
  17. Feb 21, 2010 #5037 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The answer is "maybe". There's no way of knowing how things might turn out because there's no way of knowing if the drive is problematic and if it is how extensive the problem is. If there's one bad sector it probably wouldn't be an issue...but where there one there is almost always more. All drives (especially as large as they are today) have bad sectors and other issues but there are built in programs, etc. to resolve things (either on the drive or via the software accessing the drive) but some problems are simply too big to be overcome.

    Your best bet is to run WD Lifeguard or another deep diagnostic OR just get an RMA and a new drive.

    That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but it's about the only way to find out if it's a problem with your new drive or not.

    Me? I wouldn't risk things going south sometime down the road even if you can get a basic truncated restore working. It just wouldn't be worth losing my recordings later.
     
  18. Feb 21, 2010 #5038 of 10248
    pl1

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    That's where I'm kicking myself now. I had so many problems with a bad cableCARD, I was afraid to mess around with re-installing the original 160g drive back in my TiVo when Comcast came, for fear they would change cards, and my 1T would have the wrong cableCARD info. So, now I've blown out my original 160g drive. Plus, I overwrote the truncated backup of it, not thinking it mattered. Duh! But I did do a restore of the truncated 1t drive to the 160g drive and it is still working normally day 2. So, maybe I'll be OK with that as a backup.
     
  19. Feb 21, 2010 #5039 of 10248
    richsadams

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    If you put it through its paces and everything is working okay you'll be safe keeping it as a backup IMHO. :up:
     
  20. Feb 21, 2010 #5040 of 10248
    pl1

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    The only other thing, is that he used a USB adapter instead of hooking up directly to the MB. If it was me, I would try that first. I was reading that USB 2.0 is twice as slow as a direct SATA connection while 1.0 is another 2x slower. It may be timing out for a 160g full drive. Maybe Windows is not recognizing any activity.
     

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