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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 19, 2010 #5001 of 10248
    trameltanz

    trameltanz New Member

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    Gentlemen, I have fought back and forth on whether to upgrade my TIVO HD but finally bit the bullet, took apart my Seagate external 1TB HDD, and went for it last night. THANKFULLY I listened to the warnings about "mounting" the original HDD in Windows. I was using Windows7. PLEASE READ the instructions because after a couple of failed attempts in Windows7 I noticed that WinMFS will only work in WinXP SP2/SP3.

    I installed a single HDD in my computer and took twenty minutes to install XP SP2. I did not install any drivers and fresh off of the first boot I ran WinMFS and the original TIVO HDD was recognized. I then proceeded to run my backups first. After successful backups I ran the MfsCopy. I did miss the step to make the NEW HDD the primary or "A" but my system booted as if it was straight out of the box.

    All features worked but the network configs. I had to verify my network settings and connect to the TIVO network.

    one word about this TIVO forum and source of information:

    !~AWESOME~!

    thank you guys SO much for making yourselves available

    The result of this is that I can travel and be busy but STILL record ~129 HOURS of the Olympics! I LOVE it!
     
  2. Feb 19, 2010 #5002 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Not true. It works fine on Windows 7 as long as you run WinMFS as Administrator. However, congratulations. Enjoy!
     
  3. Feb 19, 2010 #5003 of 10248
    trameltanz

    trameltanz New Member

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    Seriously? I saw the RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR instruction but was too stubborn...

    My regular ID is in the local admin group. Sounds like I should have tried the local ADMINISTRATOR account. One click and a few taps saves time over an XP install.

    I had another motivator though; my version of Win7 is an eval and runs out in a few days.

    Do I NEED to make the new disk the "A"? My reasoning was it should be A only if I plan to plug in an external/expansion drive.
     
  4. Feb 19, 2010 #5004 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Yes, seriously. Being a member of the Admin group doesn't provide elevated priviliges as does "Run as Administrator"

    And, no, The new disk doesn't need to be 'A".
     
  5. Feb 19, 2010 #5005 of 10248
    bldr85

    bldr85 New Member

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    I have Tivo HD and want to add 1TB Fantom G-Force Greendrive external drive using a Tripp-Lite 11 esata cable. I followed steps #10 & 11 but keep getting the message regarding an unsupported device. Any suggestions on how to hook up is greatly appreciated.
     
  6. Feb 19, 2010 #5006 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Welcome to the forum. It's noted clearly in the first post that the only eSATA drive that can be connected to the TiVo HD via plug and play is Western Digital's My DVR Expander.

    You can connect an unsupported drive (like the Fantom) but it requires pulling the TiVo drive, connecting both to a PC and marrying them together using winMFS. Since the drive has to be removed anyway, most folks opt to simply upgrade TiVo's internal hard drive and put the original on the shelf as a backup.

    Make sure you read through the entire post so you can understand everything you need to know.

    Hope that didn't ruin your day...but if you decide to upgrade...happy upgrading!
     
  7. Feb 19, 2010 #5007 of 10248
    chestnu1

    chestnu1 New Member

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    Hey guys I am on the verge of upgrading the internal drive in my Tivo HD and I am in the process of getting everything I need to do it together. I have downloaded WinMFS and just bought a vantec sata usb adapter from amazon the only thing left is to pick a drive. I want to go with one of the western digital green 1TB drives (yes I know about that darn intellipark issue). Is there one in particular that is better then the rest? I was thinking about the WD10EVVS but I thought I should get some feedback before I order does anyone have any suggestions.
     
  8. Feb 19, 2010 #5008 of 10248
    jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

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    If you understand and can work around the IntelliPark issue then you can shop on price (and noise level) for any of the drives on the recommended list or any drives that once were on the list that are affected by it. There are no performance differences.
     
  9. Feb 19, 2010 #5009 of 10248
    chestnu1

    chestnu1 New Member

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    Thank you for your quick response I keep that in mind.
     
  10. Feb 19, 2010 #5010 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    What jlib said and I'll add that the WD10EVVS is an A/V dedicated drive and would be as quiet as any available.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  11. Feb 20, 2010 #5011 of 10248
    nab2z

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    I just bought the WD10EVDS drive off Newegg and have been following the instructions in this forum.

    1. Downloaded FDOEMCD.builder.zip from
    2. Added wdidle3.exe to CDROOT folder.
    3. Executed MAKEISO.BAT to create new FDOEM.ISO CD image file.
    4. Burned FDOEM.ISO to CD using ImgBurn and viola - it will boot to DOS and allows wdidle3 to run. No need to change directory etc ... wdidle resides on C:\

    My issue is that I do not get a message saying the timer is disabled. Running wdidle3 results in the following:

    WDIDLE3 VERSION 1.03
    COPYRIGHT INFO …
    Configure Idle3.
    Model: WDC WD10EVDS-63U8B0
    Serial number: …
    Idle3 Timer is enabled and set to 3720 seconds (62.0 minutes)

    Also, it seems that any of the other wdidle parameters just cause the program to hang (like wdidle3 /R).

    Any ideas?

    Thanks.
     
  12. Feb 20, 2010 #5012 of 10248
    whitepelican

    whitepelican New Member

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    I might be off base here, but if it's really set to 3720 seconds, then I don't think you should have any problem with the drive at all. It should be good to go. People here have found that when they can't get the wdidle3 to disable the timer that setting it to longer time periods (even 25 seconds) makes the soft boot issue go away.
     
  13. Feb 20, 2010 #5013 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Apparently, wdidle3 /d behaves differently depending upon the version. I created that boot disk with version 1.03, the one referenced in the FAQ. I used this version on my WD10EVVS and it reported the same results as you - 3720 seconds.

    This seems to resolve the soft-boot issue, even though it doesn't appear to disable Intellipark. At least it did for my TiVo HD ...
     
  14. Feb 20, 2010 #5014 of 10248
    JTYoung1

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    I have to say the instructions work great. I found one of the Hitachi 1TB drives at my local CompUSA yesterday and pulled the trigger. Copied my programs, season passes and everything over and had the S3 back together in about an hour and a half. Now I have a Series 3 with 157 hours of HD capacity. :up:


    It did take some trial and error getting HDDScan to work. Apparently it would only detect the drive as an IDE on my front panel eSATA connector since it connects to an actual SATA port on the motherboard. The back connector was seeing it as a SCSI drive.
     
  15. Feb 20, 2010 #5015 of 10248
    GrayeDog

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    All, I just received my WD10EARS from Newegg with the free rosehill dock, and I tried to use WinMFS to copy to it. Problem is, it doesn't seem to work. Here's the rundown:

    I went through the step as normal, did the truncated backup, everything seemed fine. Then I went to do the copy from the TiVo drive to my drive, went to sleep, woke up, checked on it, and noticed the external HDD had been turned off; WinMFS was stuck about 1/3 of the way through telling me there was 6.5 or so hours left.

    I canceled the copy and started again...went smoothly to about 1/3 again, and the time jumped all the way to 16+ hours remaining. It slowly moved down to about 12, and then jumped to tell me (no joke) there were approximately 1139309 hours remaining. Clearly, something went wrong.

    Is there a problem with WinMFS because of the 4k issue with the WD10EARS? If so, is there a workaround? If not, could it have stalled the second time because the first time did a partial data write? If so, is there a way to clear my new WD10EARS drive and start over? I'd really rather not have to return it and pay Newegg's 15% stocking fee if there's a way to make the WD10EARS work.

    I should note I have a TiVoHD, and it's almost completely full of recordings, so I know the transfer won't be super fast, but 12-16+ hours seems a little extensive. Currently I have my tivo drive plugged into a SATA port on my motherboard and the WD10EARS plugged into the Rosehill dock via USB.

    Thanks everyone.
     
  16. Feb 20, 2010 #5016 of 10248
    pl1

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    You have nothing to lose by doing a truncated restore to test things out. You don't mention the size of the drive you are copying from, but if it is 1000g (1t) and full, of course that is 157 hours of HD recordings. The usual approach is to permanently delete all deleted programs and to eliminate as many recordings as possible. Copying a full drive is going to take a long time, for sure. 12-16 hrs may be possible.
     
  17. Feb 20, 2010 #5017 of 10248
    GrayeDog

    GrayeDog New Member

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    Thanks for the response, I'm copying from the original 160GB TiVo drive, so I'm even expecting a few hours. I cleared the format of the WD10EARS and I'm trying it again, I guess I'll let it run for awhile longer, maybe til tomorrow morning. Although I may stop it, clear the format, and try the truncated backup just to check. I'd rather not clear out my recordings because I've got a ton of movies I have on there that I haven't gotten around to watching.
     
  18. Feb 20, 2010 #5018 of 10248
    pl1

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    What I'm suggesting is to first restore a truncated backup. It only takes 5-10 minutes. If that works, you can STILL do a full copy from drive to drive.
     
  19. Feb 20, 2010 #5019 of 10248
    Majik45

    Majik45 New Member

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    Thanks to all for the up to date information out there. I originally did an upgrade probably 1.5 years ago on my Tivo HD. My brother got a Tivo HD for Christmas, and I wanted to upgrade his internal drive for him, and just successfully did the process again. Had to run the wdidle3 utility to set the timer really high (my WDEVDS10 would not disable it, but set it to like 37000 seconds or something). Upgrade went flawlessly, and it doesn't have the soft boot problem.
     
  20. Feb 20, 2010 #5020 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats on your "new" TiVo! Curious as to how the acoustics are on the Hitachi as compared to the OEM drive. Since you used HDDScan I'm assuming you changed the AAM to 128? I have two of them in an NAS and they were pretty quiet OOB but I'm wondering how much quieter they are after being adjusted. For me they are pretty solid, quiet and cool running drives. TIA and enjoy!
     

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