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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 15, 2010 #4981 of 10316
    Tivogre

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    I understand this. However, it is my understanding that "the dude" MODIFIED a stock partition lay out for a THD image so that it COULD be expanded to use 1.5 or 2TB drives (which he sells).

    I can see no reason, given a working drive, why an image of one of these modified drives could not be taken and used by others to restore / expand.
     
  2. Feb 15, 2010 #4982 of 10316
    rocko

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    I agree - are you volunteering to modify WinMFS? :)
     
  3. Feb 15, 2010 #4983 of 10316
    Tivogre

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    That's what I'm asking... why do you believe that WIN MFS would NEED to be modified, given a base DRIVE (image) that has been modified.

    I am certain that WIN MFS, as it exists, WILL work with a modified THD image, and allow the use of 1.5 or 2TB drives.

    It is just a matter of having an image with the correct partition lay-out to start with.
     
  4. Feb 15, 2010 #4984 of 10316
    rocko

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    Because the truncated backup will only backup bootpage, active boot, root partitions, mfs application partitions and media partitions necessary to boot the box (copied from mfslive.org) I believe the "dude" adds additional partitions that won't get copied in a truncated backup.
     
  5. Feb 15, 2010 #4985 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Saaaayyyy...you wouldn't be "The Dude" in disguise would you? ;)

    BTW, +1 on the reasonable pricing for a 2TB drive. :up:
     
  6. Feb 16, 2010 #4986 of 10316
    Efranzen

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    Is the Seagate 500gb ST3500414CS still available? I don't see any online resellers that sell it, and the Seagate website doesn't list any resellers for that model.
     
  7. Feb 16, 2010 #4987 of 10316
    ADG

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    It doesn't appear to be available, but the ST3500312CS is (I purchased one from Amazon last month).
     
  8. Feb 16, 2010 #4988 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    Can you comment on the noise?

    ST3500321CS - 2 platter, 8mb cache
    ST3500312CS - 1 platter, 8mb cache
    ST3500414CS - 1 platter, 16mb cache

    Both the 312CS and 414CS are single platter, 5756rpm drives, so you wouldn't think there'd be much difference.
     
  9. Feb 16, 2010 #4989 of 10316
    ADG

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    I'm sorry, I can't. I purchased the drive when I thought I needed to replace a 3 month old WD in one of my S3's, but it turned out I simply needed to disable Intellipark. I am keeping the Seagate as a backup.
     
  10. Feb 16, 2010 #4990 of 10316
    kevinbuckeye

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    I purchased the ST3500312C, so once it arrives and I do the upgrade I will comment about noise. If it is similar to the original drive I will be very happy.
     
  11. Feb 16, 2010 #4991 of 10316
    ADG

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    I can't imagine it will be an issue.
     
  12. Feb 18, 2010 #4992 of 10316
    Efranzen

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  13. Feb 18, 2010 #4993 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Yes, that's the one...good price too. :up: It would behave the same as any other drive when performing an upgrade. Although the drive is pretty quiet out of the box, per Section IV, #32 of the FAQ I would run hddscan for windows to tune the AAM to 128 to make it as quiet as possible.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  14. Feb 18, 2010 #4994 of 10316
    wdwms

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    My S3 history:

    250gb with winmfs to 500gb; then 500gb to 1TB. On the last one (which was a truncated backup/restore) I keep getting:

    "Sorry! MfsSupersize failed!"

    Any ideas on this guys? My Tivo HD worked fine going from the original 160gb to a 1TB; that now shows 157 hours; but the S3 is stuck at 134 hours of HD

    -t
     
  15. Feb 18, 2010 #4995 of 10316
    Kevin R

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    Upgrading cable service to HD, so need to do the 1T upgrade.
    Was al little down after reading all the recommended WD drives dropping like flys.
    From read the post though, am I correct to assume that if I buy a current WD10EADS, or WD10EVDS and use wdidle3 to turn of intellipark, and then use winmfs to transfer everything, I should be fine?
    Also, I have limited drive connections in my PC. I always see it recommended todo a back up of the old drive, then put both drives in and copy.
    Can I just do the back up, and then load it, rather than having to have room for both drives and the windows drive?

    Thanks much.
    Kevin R
     
  16. Feb 18, 2010 #4996 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Yes, if you run wididle3 on newer WD drives to disable the Intellipark "feature" everything should be fine.

    Do you want to keep your current recordings? If not, you only need one drive connected at a time. Your truncated backup includes all of the OS/critical info (cable card, Season Passes, etc.) but not any recordings. Basically you connect the TiVo drive, run winMFS and complete the backup (only takes a few minutes at most). Disconnect the TiVo drive, connect your new drive and image it with the backup (a few more minutes). Done!

    If you want to copy everything including your recordings you'll need to have both the original TiVo and your new drive connected (along with your Windows drive). Most PC's have several open SATA connections. If you're still limited to one and you have a SATA optical drive (DVD or CD) you can use those connections. Worst case you can connect one via SATA and the other via a USB to SATA adapter or dock. Have a read through the first post and you should be able to figure out a way that will work for you, but if not, feel free to post more details.

    Either way, be sure to follow all of the directions carefully and you'll be enjoying your "new" TiVo in no time.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  17. Feb 18, 2010 #4997 of 10316
    MPSAN

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    ...and do not forget, no matter which method you use to turn off anti virus programs in the PC and before removing the TiVo drive, delete all shows in the deleted folder!!
     
  18. Feb 19, 2010 #4998 of 10316
    Kevin R

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    Thanks for the confidence boosting help.
    I am just waiting for Comcast to come next week with the cablecards so they will be on the old drive and the new one.
    I was going to do both the OS and shows, but have decided I have it low enough to just transfer the ones that are left to the PC before doing the upgrade.
    That way it will take less time, and I can do it with only one extra SATA connection.

    I have an older P4 board that has 4 SATA connections, but 2 are off the intel chip, and 2 are off a promise chip set for RAID. Never have had much luck with that turned on and some drives running through the promis and others the intel, so I just disabled it.
    Really don't want to have to spend days trying to iron out the issues with a SATA first gen board, just to run a few minutes of drive setup for the TIVO if at all possible.

    Any preference between the EADS and EVDS?

    Thanks again,

    Kevin R
     
  19. Feb 19, 2010 #4999 of 10316
    richsadams

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    IIRC the EVDS was was A/V dedicated and the acoustic specs were a little lower (quieter). Either would suit though...you can always tune the EADS to the lower AAM setting per the first post.

    The whole upgrade process looks a bit complicated but that's only because Spike and bkdtv have taken the time to spell out every last detail. Once you do it you'll find it to be quite simple.

    BTW, good points by MPSAN about deleting anything in the Recently Deleted folder if you're going to copy all of your recordings over. If you're not (and it doesn't sound like you are), don't worry about deleting anything.

    Keep us posted!
     
  20. Feb 19, 2010 #5000 of 10316
    Bierboy

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    Count me as another whose WD MyDVR 500gb Expander failed (connected to a TiVO HD). It's under limited warranty, but all WD will do is replace it, and I'm not sure that's what I want to do. I may slap a larger internal drive in it, but with an S3 that holds 107 HD hours, I can usually transfer shows as the HD gets full.
     

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