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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. GrayeDog

    GrayeDog New Member

    Nov 17, 2009
    All, I've read through lots of posts, and the FAQs too many times to count. I'm set on going the 1TB internal upgrade route for my TiVo HD, as everyone says it's the best, but I'm quite conflicted on what drive to get. My options seem to be, in general:

    HD Deskstar (not designed for DVR, quiet)
    Seagate (designed for DVR, less quiet)
    WD (designed for dvr, quiet, soft reboot problem).

    Seems from everything I've read that the best bet is to go with a WD drive and run the wdidle3 program to disable Intellipark -- OK, I'm willing to. It's here that I have the problem:

    How am I supposed to choose between the WD10 models? There's the EADS, EAVS, EACS, EVDS, EVVS...is there a difference? Am I better off, since NONE of those seems to be Intellipark-free, just getting whichever is cheapest, or are some of them bad, but others are about the same? I was following prices on the EVDS for awhile, but they seem to have gone up, so I'm back to square one. Thanks in advance!
  2. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    Is the fan spinning when you provide power? If the clicking is actually coming from the back right (where the power cord is) and not the front left, and if the fan is not spinning, you need a new power supply. I had to replace mine last week.
  3. fljoe

    fljoe New Member

    Oct 17, 2002
    I went with the WD10EVDS from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136496). I will get it tomorrow. I tried creating the DOS CD with wdidle3 on it, however could not get to recognize the Plextor DVD drive which is a SATA drive .. pretty much like someone earlier had reported ...

    It gives a msg, Driver version v340
    Device Name: Banana
    No drives found, Aborting installation...

    Then goes to a:

    I then Googled and found a solution that works .. posting here for someone who has the same problems ...

    1. Downloaded FDOEMCD.builder.zip from http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/
    2. Added wdidle3.exe to CDROOT folder. ( http://www.synology.com/support/faq_images/enu/wdidle3.zip )
    3. Executed MAKEISO.BAT to create new FDOEM.ISO CD image file.
    4. Burned FDOEM.ISO to CD using ImgBurn and viola - it will boot to DOS and allows wdidle3 to run. No need to change directory etc ... wdidle resides on C:\
  4. rb_9999

    rb_9999 New Member

    Sep 16, 2002
    South Carolina
    I bought a new Tivo HD to replace my Series 2 Humax unit. I upgraded the drive in the Humax years ago with no problem. I have read through many of these posts and looked the the "fully compatible" drives listed at the beginning of the FAQ. I plan to run the Tivo for a week or so to make sure it works fine. I have a few questions:

    1) What is the easiest fully compatible drive to get now? I am thinking the "Seagate Pipeline HD ST31000322CS" from Newegg. I just want a drive that works. I don't want to have to fiddle around with it. Once you put them in they are basically the same except for the noise.

    2) I have Windows 7. Nearly everything I see says windows. If I recall correctly, the MFS software is a bootable CD so the OS doesn't matter. Are the upgrade instructions at the beginning of this post current? It's dated 2007. Any newer easier upgrades that work in Windows 7?

    3) Any advice or things to look out for?

    Thanks. I always find a lot of info on these forums but they bounce back and forth and some things become outdated. So please bear with me since I know all of these questions have been asked in previous posts, I just want to ensure I have the most up to date info.

  5. Meatball

    Meatball New Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    Hey guys,

    First lemme say, awesome thread, great info in here! I've run into a strange issue doing a Tivo HD upgrade with a WD10EADS drive and was wondering if anyone else ran into this before.

    I disabled Intellipark using wdidle and also lowered the AAM to 128 using HDDScan before I attempted the upgrade. The drive copy with WinMFS from the original 500 GB to the new drive seemed to go fine and took about 3 hours to complete. I put the new drive into the Tivo, plugged everything back in and Tivo booted up without a problem. I wanted to change my input so I started going through Guided setup and when the box tries to connect to Tivo it takes _forever_ during the "Preparing..." phase.

    The first "Getting Setup Info" connection that says it will take 3-5 minutes sat on the "Preparing (Preparing to Connect...)" phase for close to 10 minutes before it finally moved to the next phase and moved quickly through.

    Then it popped up asking me to pick what channels I received. It popped up QVC in the background, I clicked on QVC and the picture locked up to a still image with "Please wait..." for 2-3 minutes. Then, finally, it said it needed to connect to get "Program Info" for 10-20 minutes. Once again, it's just sitting on "Preparing (Preparing to Connect...)" phase for going on 45 minutes. The swirling image is swirling and I can hear the HD chugging away if I put my ear up to it, but I'm not sure why it's taking so long.

    Anyone run into this before or have any thoughts?


    Update: If finally finished up after about an hour. Box seems to be running alright, but I'm going to run it through a few reboots just to make sure.
  6. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    Which program did you use for the original expansion to 500GB? How much space is the TiVo reporting now?
  7. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Hi Roy. Lemme see if I can put in my two-cents...

    1. That drive should work fine. You can't adjust the acoustics but it's a 5900RPM drive (which is more than enough) and rated very quiet.

    2. The FAQ is very current. Bkdtv keeps it that way and it was updated about a week ago. MFSLive is a bootable CD. If you have Windows you might want to give winMFS a shot...it's even easier!

    3. Follow the instructions carefully and you'll be fine.

    Happy upgrading!
  8. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Sounds like it was doing some heavy lifting (indexing?). If you kept your SP's, etc. intact but changed the Guided Setup right away TiVo would have had to have worked through a number of housekeeping changes.
  9. Meatball

    Meatball New Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    -jilb: I didn't expand it to 500GB, it came with it.

    -richsadams: I think you're right about the indexing, it seems to be fine now. I've rebooted multiple times and I think it was just doing housecleaning.

    Thanks everyone for the help! :)
  10. reubanks

    reubanks New Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Someone upgraded it to 500GB, as the TivoHD ships with a 160GB drive.
  11. Meatball

    Meatball New Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    Ah, sorry, you guys are right. I did upgrade from a 160GB. I also was upgrading my S3 that had a 250 and was swapping drives from my PC, so I mixed up the sizes :)
  12. S3-2501

    S3-2501 New Member

    Jun 2, 2007
    for anyone looking to experiment with ways to reduce the vibration from their Pipeline upgrade, I found this set of anti-vibration screws at a nearby store. This kit is 50 drive screws, each with a rubber grommet placed beneath the screw head. I took the drive mounting plate out of the Tivo and placed one grommet beneath each existing torx screw head, placed the screw through its mounting hole and then placed another grommet over the threads on the other side of the mounting plate. This sandwiched the mounting plate between two grommets for maximum vibration absorption when mounted to the Tivo chasis.

    I put everything back together, and placed the Tivo back on some vibration absorbing material. Initially everything was really noisy, but then after about an hour or so it suddenly became much quieter. I don't know if that's a result of the grommets warming up inside the Tivo, or some other factor.

    Anyway, the drive is now much quieter, and only occasionally gets loud enough to be really noticeable or annoying. Up close to the Tivo the noise can still be very loud, but from more than a few feet away it's usually just a barely audible low-end beat. Occasionally it gets more severe, but that doesn't seem to last too long.

    Time and money now prevent me from returning the Pipeline and trying a WD10EVDS, but I thought I'd share my discovery of the anti-vibration screws for anyone else who has a Pipeline drive that's functioning fine but would like to experiment with ways to reduce the noise and vibration in a small and quiet room. If the Pipeline proves to have a long life then I think I'll remain content with the purchase.
  13. darobu

    darobu New Member

    Nov 20, 2003
    Can't remember if I heard the fan, but the Powering Up screen appears but never goes away. I wouldn't think that I'd get anything on the display if I needed a new power supply.

    I've just baked (formatted for Tivo) a new cake (500GB WD) to drop into the TiVo tonight. Before I crack open the TiVo, I'll verify that it's not the power supply. Thanks for the suggestion.
  14. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    I agree. If the unit is powering up then it's not the PS. It's just that the clicking sound you described is also associated with a dead PS.
  15. IamWedge

    IamWedge New Member

    Mar 24, 2006
    Lots of reading in here. SO Ill ask my Qs
    Ive got an old Series 2 With the small 80G hard drive in it. I havent opened the case yet. I would imagine that the Hard drive is a WD IDE interface. The drive that I ordered is WD 1TB numbered EVDS. Yes, this is a Green drive. I did purchase a SATA to IDE conversion for the new drive. I see alot of talk about connecting both drives to a SATA port on your MB.
    I do have an old computer (running XP SP2) that is IDE interface only. I just removed the drives out of it so when i take my Tivo apart I can just use a master/slave cable to connect the two together and run them in to the IDE on the computers MB.

    Question 1 Does it matter which drive is installed as master or slave? Like (old on slave and new on master)?

    Question 2 Ive already made a CD with WINMFS 9.3 on it. I would imagine i have to make a new disk that i can boot the computer with and then run Winmfs.

    Question 3 Once in to transfer my settings and some recordings to the new larger drive. I tell it from drive B (the old drive) TO drive B (new drive)?

    Im sure ill have more Qs as i get ready to do all this.
  16. Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin New Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    A bad internal hard drive may also produce a "clicking" sound.
  17. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    I never suggested otherwise.
  18. whitepelican

    whitepelican New Member

    Feb 14, 2005
    Not if you're going to use WinMFS. If you use the MFSLive boot CD, then you will need to make sure you know which drive is mounted as hda/hdb.

    WinMFS is simply a Windows program. There is no need to use a separate boot disk if you have a PC running Windows already.

    It's pretty simple in WinMFS. It will show you the size and other info of each drive, so you will easily be able to tell which is the source and which is the destination drive. The drives won't have a drive letter associated with them, though.
  19. lex3001

    lex3001 New Member

    Feb 13, 2005
    I am waiting for a new replacement WORKING TiVo HD from TiVo to fix my Netflix / intermittent hang problem.

    So today I decided to hook up the replacement they recently sent. I unplugged my current TiVo while it was recording to make room in the rack. My current TiVo is also an HD and has a big drive I upgraded to.

    Well, needless to say, the replacement TiVo had issues and I had to send it back. So later on I went and plugged my old TiVo HD upgraded TiVo back in, and oh boy was I happy when it wouldn't boot ;-(

    It would mostly do the "Gray Screen of Death" as I like to call it. No text or messages, just grey, and no noise from the box to indicate hard drive activity. Sometimes it would hang in Powering Up... I tried to reboot about ten times in all, and I even tried to the PAUSE key a couple times to see if I might kickstart it -- no luck -- no response from the remote to any lights on the front panel.

    Finally I pulled the drive and popped in WinMFS. Then I pulled out the trusty CD I made when I first installed that drive -- including backups of both the Boot and the Kernel. I restored both of those, then replaced the drive in the TiVo. It booted on the first try!!! Woo Hoo!!

    Just wanted to say THANKS WINMFS DUDE.

    I'm really going to bummed out when they finally send me a replacement TiVo that works and I have to reprogram all my seasons passes and lose all the kids shows we taped. And then we really won't know for weeks if the Netflix hang issues has truly been resolved...
  20. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Glad to hear your TiVo is working again. :up:

    If you sign up for KidZone or Guru Guides TiVo keeps a copy of your SP's. When you connect the new box and it connects to the Mother Ship everything will be "missing" and TiVo will repopulate the info.

    If you have any (non-proteceted) recordings you'd like to keep you can use TiVo Desktop or KTTMG to transfer them to your computer...and then back to TiVo again if you'd like.


    BTW, Spike at MFSLive.org is the author of winMFS if you'd like to send your personal thanks you can post on his forum.

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