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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 5, 2010 #4901 of 10284
    schwinn

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    Well, if there's no "supersize" option in MFSLive, then I'd say, yes, WinMFS is the way to do it...
     
  2. Feb 5, 2010 #4902 of 10284
    bigd2008

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    Thanks. I gave the MfsSupersize option a try. WinMFS seems pretty easy to use. Hopefully it worked and my Tivo still boots! I'll find out later I guess...
     
  3. Feb 5, 2010 #4903 of 10284
    Miggsoo3

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    Ok so I was sitting around wondering why the usb wasn't working for people when I finally realized something. The dock I used has both USB and SATA connection, when I was using the wdiddle3 I was connected via SATA since I only had one hard drive in. When I ran the rest of the process I had to connect the dock via USB since my SATA port on my laptop didn't have a port replicator to run the 2 drives connected via the one cable. Sorry for any confusion, I feel so dumb just remembering that minor detail and I hope this clears up any confusion. Apart from that the steps described above are exactly the steps I followed.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2010 #4904 of 10284
    SAH2

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    I just upgraded my original S3 to a WD 1TB drive thanks to all of the help on this site. I forgot or missed the Supersize option. Is it possible to do this now without removing the drive from the cradle? I am using a laptop with the USB to SATA cables, and was thinking of removing the drive cables and power cables from the Tivo drive and then just plugging the cables from the laptop into the drive to perform the Supersize.

    I am asking as the most difficult thing about the upgrade was replacing the T-10 screws for the drive cradle. (I need to get a T-10 driver with a magnetic tip!)

    Any dangers in destroying the drive or Tivo from this method?
     
  5. Feb 6, 2010 #4905 of 10284
    rocko

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    Just unplug the TiVo and remove the cover and diconnect the power/data cable from the hard drive. If you can run the power/data from the computer to the drive you can just leave the whole thing intact inside the TiVo and run WinMFS.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2010 #4906 of 10284
    richsadams

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    Wow! That's real testimony to how easy this upgrade has become. :) :up:

    BTW, do exactly what Rocko recommends to Supersize your drive. FWIW Supersizing at any time will not have any affect on existing recordings, settings, etc.

    Congrats and enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  7. Feb 8, 2010 #4907 of 10284
    Defender90

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    Hermosa...
    I have read as many of the threads as my brain can hold tonight so I decided to just post. I have an original, unmodified S3 and wish to go the 1tb external drive route. It would appear I'm in luck in that I have options. The WD MyDVR Expander is out of stock most places (on AMZN it's $400)--read somewhere it's been discontinued though I can't verify.

    I looked at Section IV, FAQ #28 of post #1 of this thread. I was uncertain of the freshness of that data (i.e. still available) and the ones that are 1tb and intended were Seagates, which have the worst noise of all tell and I've heard bad things about. I found on one site an Apricorn ADVRX-1TB, though it is also out of stock, and there were mixed reviews on if it worked or not.

    Without going into more detail, does anyone else have any current information on a readily available (larger online or brick and mortar locations) 1tb eSATA that is PnP? Or is it advised to buy an internal and enclosure? I prefer not to go that route, but honestly can't seem to tell if there is an OTS that has been verified to work.

    Any help is appreciated. --sc
     
  8. Feb 8, 2010 #4908 of 10284
    wackymann

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    Upgrading the internal drive is the much more stable and preferred solution. If you follow the instructions closely, it's really not that hard. The hardest part is attaching the drives to the computer for the cloning process. Once they are attached, the winmfs program makes everything else a piece of cake.

    If you really want to use an external drive, I believe the internal and external drives must be married on a PC anyways (unless you use one of the 2 officially supported drives made by WD - which are apparently very hard to find at the moment). If you are going to all the trouble of pulling drives out and attaching them to a computer, you may as well go with a single internal drive (IMHO). If you think you'll miss the extra 250 GB, you could always buy a 1.5 TB internal. I believe that can be expanded out to use 1.25 TB on an original S3. But I have found that 1 TB is more than enough space for me.
     
  9. Feb 8, 2010 #4909 of 10284
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    The original S3 (the one where CableCARDS go in the rear) can accept any external eSATA drive via plug-n-play. The newer TiVo HD will only take the WD MyDVR external drive via the PnP route so if you really have an original S3 your options are better.

    Of course, I'm a proponent of the internal update route, but that's me.
     
  10. Feb 8, 2010 #4910 of 10284
    mrbeefhead

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    Just curious if anyone has been able to run wdidle3 on a drive that is connected via USB-SATA adapter?
     
  11. Feb 8, 2010 #4911 of 10284
    ajburgh

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    I think that's unlikely. The USB adapter makes the drive look like a generic USB mass storage device and the wdidle3 app (and firmware upgrade apps) typically require low-level direct access to specific drive functions that are not part of the USB mass storage specification.
     
  12. Feb 8, 2010 #4912 of 10284
    mrbeefhead

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    I think you're probably right. Also, I just found this post on another site, dated 1/22/2010:

    In other words, wdidle3 may not work with the newest revisions of these drives.
     
  13. Feb 8, 2010 #4913 of 10284
    cjv2

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    I don't think anyone in this thread has. Folks have been asking how to do it (I was the poor schmuck who ran into this and prompted getting the WD10EADS deleted from the recommended list) but I don't think anyone has actually pulled it off.
     
  14. Feb 8, 2010 #4914 of 10284
    cjv2

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    That bit about the tool being gone from the site has been true for a long, long time, well before that 1/22 post, and well before this particular issue came up, from what I understand.

    That said, if you have any info suggesting that wdidle3 and/or Intellipark setting tweaking have been rendered dead-ends in practice, a link would be helpful. Thus far everyone reporting successful recognition of the drive by wdidle3 has reported successful Intellipark tweaking, so far as I know.
     
  15. Feb 8, 2010 #4915 of 10284
    darobu

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    I have an Original Series3 with a WD My DVR Expander. My Tivo's internal drive clicks and won't boot; I assume it's dead. I'm considering cracking open the My DVR Expander, pulling out the drive, "InstantCake"-ing it, and dropping it in the Tivo to use as my primary drive. I'm ok with the decreased capacity.

    According to this thread's sticky, at least one of the models of My DVR Exp. contains a drive that is a recommended internal upgrade. Not sure which one I have (will check when I get home tonight) but I assume any of the models would contain drives suitable as internal upgrades, but that may be incorrect.

    Anyone know a reason this wouldn't work?
     
  16. Feb 8, 2010 #4916 of 10284
    richsadams

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    As Rocko mentioned you can add any number of retail or DIY eSATA drives to a stock TiVo Series3 via plug and play. The two to avoid would be the Seagate Free Agent Pro models and any of the Western Digital My Book models. The Seagate FAP's have a very spotty track record and the WD My Books do not work with TiVo at all. More here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7759969#post7759969

    I also am a proponent of the internal upgrade method. However if I were to to add an eSATA drive to my Series3 at this very minute I would go with this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/1TB-Fantom-G-force-Greendrive-Esata/dp/B001E06W8O

    If you can wait a bit this drive often can be found on sale for as low as $79.99. The hard drive inside is a Western Digital GP drive which runs very quiet and cool. A number of folks here are using it successfully.

    FWIW Fantom just released the Fantom GreenDrive II:

    http://www.buy.com/prod/fantom-gree...-hard-drive-includes/q/loc/101/210802271.html

    AFAIK no one has tried using it yet. I'd guess this will replace the Fantom GreenDrive linked above but someone will need to try it to confirm that it will work w/TiVo. I don't know of any reason it wouldn't, but it's still untested. If you feel like being a TiVo Pioneer there are a lot of benefits...like the undying gratitude of all that will follow in your footsteps. ;)

    Happy upgrading!
     
  17. Feb 8, 2010 #4917 of 10284
    richsadams

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    I'm guessing you already have, but did you disconnect your WD My DVR expander to see if your TiVo would boot up? If so you could go ahead and divorce the drive and have a working TiVo. Not sure what model you have, but the 500GB WD My DVR Expanders have been exhibiting a life-span of between 12 and 18 months. However more often than not it's the enclosure that's failing and not the hard drive.

    The WD My DVR Expanders use WD GP hard drives. Assuming the drive is good, removing the hard drive from the My DVR Expander enclosure, imaging it with IC and putting it inside your TiVo shouldn't be a problem. Prior to doing that I would run a deep diagnostic on the drive however. You can use WD's Lifeguard to run a full read/write/read test. There are no guarantees of course but that could help to ensure that it's not going to give you any problems down the road.
     
  18. Feb 8, 2010 #4918 of 10284
    darobu

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    Have now; no luck. The clicking definitely comes from the front left corner of the TiVo. Thanks for the LifeGuard tip. I have the drive out and will run the diags tomorrow at work where I have a Windows machine. Hopefully this will allow me to resurrect the TiVo while saving a few bucks -- always a good thing!
     
  19. Feb 9, 2010 #4919 of 10284
    ADG

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    Just to confirm, there is no clicking when the drive is removed, is that correct?
     
  20. Feb 9, 2010 #4920 of 10284
    darobu

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    No. The clicking continues with or without the WD external connected.
     

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