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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 3, 2010 #4861 of 10248
    ADG

    ADG Allan

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    Just an update if anyone is interested. Yesterday I disabled intellipark on a WD (with the wdidle3 utility) that had suddenly gone into an endless reboot (after 3 months of service). When I hooked up the S3 nothing happened. Weaknees said it was probably the power supply. They sent one and I just installed it and restarted the unit. Everything seems to be just fine.
     
  2. Feb 3, 2010 #4862 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Great news! Still odd that the power supply decided to up and quit at the same time you upgraded. :confused: But glad to hear things are good again.

    Did you mean to say that you had to disable Intellipark on the hard drive you bought from Weaknees? Or did you just pick up a PS from them?

    Enjoy!
     
  3. Feb 3, 2010 #4863 of 10248
    ADG

    ADG Allan

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    Hi Rich,

    I disabled intellipark on the drive I already had. This S3 is 3 years old. The hd died last October and I replaced it with a WD5000AVVS (which was recommended in the initial post in this thread, but has since been removed from the list) which I purchased from Amazon. At that time we didn't know about the Green drives and intellipark. Well, the other day the drive went into the endless loop. I took it out and saw the GREEN label on it. I came back to this thread and read about the issue with green drives, so yesterday I used the wdidle3 utility, replaced the drive, and found out the PS was dead.

    Something interesting though. I watch the S3 via HDMI in the bedroom and run a 20 foot component cable to another set in my den. For the past couple of months the picture in the den has been less than perfect. Not bad, but it evidenced horizontal wavy lines - faint, but certainly noticeable. I just ordered a replacement cable thinking the one I have went bad. Well, with the new power supply (and the "old" cable) the picture is perfect! I guess the PS has been on the way out for a while and the trauma of multiple connections & disconnections the other day when the drive went into the loop (I didn't know what the problem was and kept trying to manually hard reset) was enough to push it over the edge.

    Thanks for your interest and support Rich. Any further info or assistance I can provide to you or anyone with similar problems will be my pleasure.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2010 #4864 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Ah, got it now. Sometimes it's hard for my feeble mind to keep track of the various goings on that occur here, often at a fairly rapid pace!. Makes sense about the PS now. Although they used to fail now and then in the old S1's and S2's it's pretty rare to see that with S3's...but it's bound to happen I guess. Glad to hear that it improved the PQ on the component connected TV too...I hadn't ever heard of that being an issue such as you described, but it does make some sense. That might help others that follow, so good info.

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo! :up:
     
  5. Feb 3, 2010 #4865 of 10248
    Miggsoo3

    Miggsoo3 New Member

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    I don't know why it works. Only thing I did differently from the instructions was create my boot cd for wdiddle3, instead of using the one that was on the forums. The one on the forums would not work on my system. Also I only had the new HD in the dock at the time not both after running the wdidle3 I shut down the laptop plugged both hard drives in and started my system back up. I did go into the BIOS to change the HD setting from ACHI to EID to run wdidle3 after I chaged back to ACHI to ensure my laptop booted back up. I used my Dell Studio 1537 to do all this.

    Hope that helps, I feel like the dock is by far the easiest option for this. I didn't want to open my desktop and connect extra drives.

    EDIT: These are the directions I followed to create my boot cd found on synology forum

    1. Downloaded FDOEMCD.builder.zip from fdos.org/bootdisks/
    2. Added wdidle3.exe to CDROOT folder
    3. Executed MAKEISO.BAT to create new FDOEM.ISO CD image file.
    4. Burned FDOEM.ISO to CD and viola - it will boot to DOS and allows wdidle3 to run.
     
  6. Feb 3, 2010 #4866 of 10248
    ADG

    ADG Allan

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    Thanks again for the support Rich. You're a good man.
     
  7. Feb 3, 2010 #4867 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent. I know that will help others.

    BKDTV: I'm not sure about the wording but I think this would be valuable info to include on your original post to help those with laptops.

    Thanks again! :up:
     
  8. Feb 3, 2010 #4868 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ha! Me and Charlie Brown. :D
     
  9. Feb 3, 2010 #4869 of 10248
    fljoe

    fljoe New Member

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    Awesome instructions .. thanks ... a quick question ...

    Once you boot into DOS, how do you determine what is the drive letter of the USB drive that you need to run wdidle3 on?

    Thanks!
     
  10. Feb 3, 2010 #4870 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    The way I can tell my Tivo has rebooted itself is if the 'selector bar' on the Tivo menu has moved to the top when I go to Messages & Settings. I usually keep it at settings/phone & network. :D
     
  11. Feb 3, 2010 #4871 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Never thought about it...but that's a good idea! :up:
     
  12. Feb 3, 2010 #4872 of 10248
    Miggsoo3

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    I just ran the wdidle3/d and if I remember correctly it tried to run it on my orginal hd and when it didn't find it there it automatically moved on to the one that was connected via USB. No need to select the drive, hope that helps

    I did this early last week and now some of the details are a little fuzzy....sorry

    Might do it again this weekend to better answer any questions other people might be having.
     
  13. Feb 3, 2010 #4873 of 10248
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    I think he means "R: or possibly a different drive"

    When the CD boots, look at the text output from the CD driver. It'll tell you the correct drive letter.

    Randy
     
  14. Feb 4, 2010 #4874 of 10248
    jlib

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    From the FreeDOS Project:
    So far there is no USB driver support inside the FreeDOS project, but many modern motherboards contain BIOS settings for "Legacy USB" support which allow USB devices to be used in operating systems that lack support for them (such as FreeDOS). This applies to keyboards and mice, and some BIOSes can even support storage devices. Some external DOS USB drivers (such as DUSE, USBASPI and USBMASS) for storage devices work with some effort and luck. There is also DOSUSB which offers an API and supports storage devices, printers and serial adapters. An alternative to running DOS programs with USB devices is DOSBox, which recognizes USB devices from the host operating system to act as if they were "legacy port" devices (e.g. joysticks with game ports, printers with parallel ports, and USB flash drives would act as if they were a hard drive for DOS), but this requires an OS with a GUI.​
    I always wondered what the Legacy USB Support setting meant in the settings of some BIOS. Apparently it provides a rudimentary support independent of the OS. So, "Legacy" in this case applies to legacy operating systems, not to USB itself. Learn something everyday! Additionally, you were correct to manually turn off AHCI enhancements in the hard drive interface. So, with Legacy USB on and AHCI off, one could possibly boot a stock DOS disk and see a USB attached drive. And if not, then just add the USB drivers.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2010 #4875 of 10248
    bmal1

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    I was interested to see if I could use wdidle3 with the sata to usb adapter. I tried FreeDos last nite as described by Miggsoo3 and had no luck. Then I added USB drivers, usbaspi.sys and DI1000DD.SYS, to the FreeDos iso with what I thought were the proper settings in the config.sys but the usb drive was still unrecognized.

    It's possible I did not have the correct settings in the config.sys and autoexec or those drivers weren't compatible with my system. I have read about old iomega drivers that work well. Maybe I will try them tonite.

    If anyone else gets this working I would love to know the details on how. Thanks.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2010 #4876 of 10248
    Tu13es

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    I have a couple different versions of WD MyBook drives (not the TiVo ones). Is it true that *no* MyBook will work as an external drive? Or just a specific generation of them?

    Also, regarding this section:

    # Replace the built-in 160GB drive with a 1.0 TB model (157 HD hours)

    Pros: Cost effective at $100-$110 for 1.0 TB. Preserves all settings and recordings. You keep the original TiVo drive as a backup. No extra devices in your TV room.

    Cons: Takes 35-45 minutes. Requires you to open the box and void the TiVo warranty. "Plug and play" external drive expansion no longer works after you upgrade the built-in drive. No technical support is available for upgraded TiVos.

    The bolded section is not true if you haven't upgraded your internal drive, right? Should be essentially plug and play, just without the support of the TiVo supported drives?
     
  17. Feb 4, 2010 #4877 of 10248
    cjv2

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    The section you quoted is entirely about removal of the internal 160GB drive and replacement of that drive with an internal 1TB drive. It is not speaking to plugging an external drive into an unmodified Tivo. So the bolded section is true - to replace the internal drive, you have to crack the case, and in doing so, you will void the warranty.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2010 #4878 of 10248
    Tu13es

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    My bad. I copy/pasted the wrong section. This is what I meant to post:

     
  19. Feb 4, 2010 #4879 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Yes, the bolded section is true. If it weren't true, it wouldn't be in the FAQ.

    Only the My DVR Expander (500GB, 1TB) external drive is "plug and play" with the TivoHD. Every other external drive requires you to open the TivoHD and void the warranty, regardless of whether you've upgraded the internal drive.
     
  20. Feb 4, 2010 #4880 of 10248
    ADG

    ADG Allan

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    Assuming you are booting to the cd, the system never sees the autoexc.bat or config.sys files.
     

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