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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 2, 2010 #4841 of 10316
    fljoe

    fljoe New Member

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    Folks,

    I started having constant reboot problems with my TivoHD last week and ran some of the KS test that is suggested in this thread. Although I did not find any failures with my DVR expander, removing it resolved the rebooting issue. Now I am on the lookout for a 1GB DVR Expander and I cannot find it anywhere in stock, so I guess WD stopped manufacturing it.

    The next step is to replace the internal drive with something bigger as 22hrs of HD recording simply won't do in my case. So I have been reading this wonderful thread and I have decided to get the WD10EVDS since they are extremely quiet.

    I do not have access to a desktop and an SATA port on the motherboard to disable the IntelliPark feature, hence I am deciding to buy a Hard Drive Kit from ebay. Now if I follow the procedure detailed in the FAQ on the first page, I make a backup of my original drive and then restore it to my new drive and I am golden .. ie. no need to re-do my Season Passes, CableCard Info etc .. However if I install the ebay kit, I don't mind re-doing the season passes, however I am afraid of losing the CableCard settings. I know I have to re-do Guided Setup and hopefully I can get access to all the channels and in case I don't I might have to call the cable company and I really shudder at the thought of dealing with the service representative at the cable company when dealing with cable cards.

    Just wondering whether I should find a friend that has a desktop and install this myself or should go for the Ebay kit. If anyone has gotten an Ebay kit and installed it, can you please let me know of your experience with the install.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Feb 2, 2010 #4842 of 10316
    ADG

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    As always, thanks Rich. The system went into an endless boot cycle and never got past "Powering Up". The drive was 3 months old and has a "green drive" label on it. I eventually connected it to one of my computers (pain in the ass) and when I ran the wdidle3 utility the screen reported that intellipark was disabled - so it appears that the drive did indeed have that feature.

    Tomorrow I should receive both the power supply and the replacement drive (which I hope I don't need). Keeping my fingers crossed that I can get this back up and running tomorrow. I do have another S3, but because of my setup it's a pain not to have both operable. And of course if I do have to replace it I'm looking at $400 for an HDXL (Amazon) + another $300 for lifetime subscription. Like most others, money is not growing on trees in my house these days.
     
  3. Feb 2, 2010 #4843 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Ah, got it. All of the WD GP drives have/had the Intellipark "feature" however they changed something along about October or so (depending on the model) that caused them to stop playing nice w/TiVo. That's why I asked about the date.

    In any case it's an odd coincidence that the PS went out at the same time unless something shorted somewhere. But these things happen.

    Hope all goes well tomorrow and keep us posted!
     
  4. Feb 2, 2010 #4844 of 10316
    richsadams

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    If you're comfortable connecting a hard drive to a computer, DIY is the way I would go. Less expensive and a good learning experience if nothing else. Although the instructions look a little complicated, once you do it they really aren't.

    Plus if you use your original hard drive to image a new one all of your settings (including cable card) will be retained. Nothing wrong with the ebay drives I'm sure, but installing one would be just like buying a new TiVo...you'd need to start from scratch.

    Hope that helps.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2010 #4845 of 10316
    ADG

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    I'm not a big fan of coincidence either, but.........
    And yeah, I think I got the drive in October. I won't even know if it works until tomorrow. Good news is, I'll have a spare :)
     
  6. Feb 2, 2010 #4846 of 10316
    ADG

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    I did it today and other than being a pain (all my systems have multiple hd's, so I had to fiddle with the connections a little before getting the utility to see the WD) it's really not a big deal. Of course, as you can see by my signature I'm pretty comfortable around computers :)
     
  7. Feb 2, 2010 #4847 of 10316
    Miggsoo3

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    I used a Dual HDD Docking station connected via usb to disable the Intellipark feature. Then used the same docking station to complete the upgrade on my new WD10EVDS.
     
  8. Feb 2, 2010 #4848 of 10316
    richsadams

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    To clarify, did you do all of that with a laptop? I have one of these (which is what I think you're describing) and it comes in very handy...

    http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-B...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1265160122&sr=8-1

    But I wasn't sure if actually running the wdidle3.exe program on a laptop with a docking station like that would work when the other style like this one won't:

    http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-SATA-...6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1265160243&sr=1-6

    If it does that's terrific news, but I'm curious as to why it would when the program (which is DOS) won't recognize USB ports/drives. TIA!

    EDIT: I see by your first post that you did use a laptop. That's very good news indeed, but I'm still confused as to why it works if it's still connecting via USB. :confused: Any elaboration would be welcome.
     
  9. Feb 2, 2010 #4849 of 10316
    fljoe

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    Thanks Rich for your advice. I definitely want all my settings preserved, so I am going to do the DIY way. I am thinking of getting the WD WD10EVDS drive and I am very sure I will get a newer one manufactured after Nov2009, so will need to disable the IntelliPark feature. Now do I do the upgrade first and then run the wdidle3 utility or do I need to run this before I upgrade the drive with WinMFS.

    Also I am assuming I do not need to do any formatting whatsoever to the newly bought WD10EVDS drive ... right?

    Also Miggsoo3, if you could please elaborate on how you managed to run wdiddle by using an SATA to USB dock, I would really appreciate.

    Thanks for all your replies .. this is an awesome forum.
     
  10. Feb 2, 2010 #4850 of 10316
    richsadams

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    You can disable the Intellipark feature at any time. No formatting is required and in fact is to be avoided...winMFS will take care of everything. If you follow each step carefully everything will go fine.

    With respect to the laptop/USB dock method, I'm also very interested to hear more as well.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2010 #4851 of 10316
    fljoe

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    Just needed a little bit of clarification regarding running the wdidle utility. It states in the FAQ :
    3. Boot from the above CD and change drive letter to R: (it can be other letter, depending on your PC configuration) and run "wdidle3 /D" to disable IntelliPark.

    Here I am assuming R: is the CD Drive letter which contains the boot CDROM with the wdidle3 utility (or is it the drive letter of the hard drive that I need to run the utility on).

    Now in my friends computer, there are 2 WD drives and I will be connecting the WD10EVDS drive to an unused SATA port on the motherboard. Do I need to disconnect his existing 2 WD drives before running the wdidle3 utility (the old drives are NOT Green Drives) or can I leave them connected and this utility will only disable the Intellipark feature on the WD10EVDS drive?

    Apologize if these questions seem silly .. just want to make sure that I absolutely doing the right thing.
     
  12. Feb 2, 2010 #4852 of 10316
    reubanks

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    I personally would disconnect ANY drive not directly involved with what you are doing. (Optical drive and new HDD to use in the upgrade.)
     
  13. Feb 2, 2010 #4853 of 10316
    strider.turbo

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    That indeed is great news! I have laptops only, and do have a dual HDD Docking station (Thermaltake BlacX DuetST0014U).

    I used this docking station to upgrade the internal hard drive to WD10EVDS. However, I upgraded it without running wdidle3. From the FAQs, it looks like I can run it even after the backup and restore. After hearing the success news from Miggsoo3, I feel encouraged to give it a try using the docking station.

    I also have a eSATA card adapter. Can somebody tell if this does or does not work for running wdidle3.
     
  14. Feb 3, 2010 #4854 of 10316
    CraigK

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    We should have asked all the folks that bought HDXLs recently to put in the 30 second skip and/or clock hacks as an indicator of a reboot and possible software update. :D
     
  15. Feb 3, 2010 #4855 of 10316
    jlib

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    The 30 second skip is no longer a reliable indicator since it now survives a reboot.
     
  16. Feb 3, 2010 #4856 of 10316
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    He wouldn't have been able to use the boot disk drey posted which was specific to computers with a similar CDROM as he has on his system and no USB support. But there has been basic USB support for DOS for some time but there was never any native support so one has to get a bootdisk that works on the system to be used and then add the 3rd party USB drivers.

    Bootdisk.com has a variety of boot disks available and also a page on adding USB support. Note that the instructions are from the standpoint of having a floppy drive boot disk that can be added to and edited. If one has the added difficulty of no floppy drive then I guess you could try using the CD image drey posted or one of the pre-built bootable CDs from bootdisk.com and then copy the files off to a folder, add the USB support and then reburn a bootable CD.

    If someone gets a bootdisk with a universal CD driver (none are truly universal, though) and USB support made please post the ISO image of it somewhere.

    It is to be hoped that TiVo will integrate the HDXL fix into the rest of the line which would make this a moot issue.
     
  17. Feb 3, 2010 #4857 of 10316
    CraigK

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    :up:

    Thanks. My TiVo HD (upgraded to 1TB) lost it's clock sometime over the last few days. The 30 second skip still worked so that explains a lot.

    Don't know why it rebooted. Probably not related to the fix that seems to have been pushed out to some HDXLs, but it's an interesting coincidence. The clock had been fine for a couple of months at least.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2010 #4858 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Ah, makes sense. Hopefully the OP will respond with the added details...it would really benefit anyone limited to using a laptop.

    Agreed...hopefully the update will be pushed to all units. I'm still wondering why it hasn't (so far) affected newer TiVo HD's. If WD has applied the latest Intellipark "feature" to all of its WD GP drives (which TiVo HD's use) it should/would eventually affect TiVo HD's but AFAIK no one has reported any issues. That would lead me to think that there is something different about the two units (besides the obvious). For that reason it also leads me to think that TiVo will only push this update to HDXL's. Only time will tell I guess.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2010 #4859 of 10316
    cjv2

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    Given that any control features would have to be added to drives by either firmware update or physical change (say, a new chip that was programmed differently), given that firmware is drive model-specific, and given that these are 160GB drives we're talking about in the base TiVo HD (i.e., a small level of capacity that is effectively dead in the market), I doubt that WD would go through the trouble of updating them on the assembly line, as it were. I would be very surprised if any WD 160GB drives do, in fact, have the latest Intellipark featureset.

    But that's just my two bits of opinion. I have no idea what WD is doing.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2010 #4860 of 10316
    richsadams

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    All good points...and could easily explain why the issue hasn't raised its ugly head with TiVo HD's. The smallest WD GP drive you can buy is 500GB, so I'm wondering if WD is even making the 160GB model any more. You're probably right.

    Since the TiVo HD has been OOS at TiVo for a while now I suspect the new TiVo Premiere will soon take its place. Hopefully they have resolved this issue and it won't be a problem for that model.
     

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