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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 1, 2010 #4821 of 10248
    chrishicks

    chrishicks Tivo Junkie

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    Well something didn't work right working with IC. I received no errors but with the new drive installed I get stuck on "Welcome...". I let it sit for a good 20min. at least and nothing. I tried redoing IC and again everything reports as going just fine. Not a single error. I put the drive in the S3 and won't go past Welcome. I also notice USB doesn't work with the new drive either. I can feel the drive running(left cover off on the 2nd install to see) but nothing is happening.

    I'm not sure what my next move is here to be honest. Can someone point me in the right direction?
     
  2. Feb 1, 2010 #4822 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Unless someone here can sort it out I'd head over to DVRUpgrade and post your question/problem. (The site has some troubleshooting tips as well.) Although IC doesn't come with any support Lou is generally very good at quickly assessing a situation and advising what to do. He drops by here once in a while, but I'd see if you can get some help from his forum in the meantime. Post as much info about your TiVo, IC, etc. over thee as you can...and of course what you're running into.

    Best of luck!
     
  3. Feb 1, 2010 #4823 of 10248
    chrishicks

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    Thanks for the reply. I'm going to head over there soon unless my current attempt works. I downloaded WinMFS and am currently trying that out as I type this. If that doesn't work I'm off to DVRUpgrade.


    EDIT: I'm starting to think either a bad drive or one image not overwriting the other or something. WinMFS reported a good transfer with no errors and I still can't get past "Welcome". Is there a way I can completely wipe whatever image that may be on this drive and start over from scratch or does WinMFS do that already?

    For now I'm running just the stock drive to make sure everything is still fine with it since I dropped the DVR Extender which seemed to be causing all the issues.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2010 #4824 of 10248
    dswallow

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    I see the drive list in the first page of the FAQ thread has been pruned... but what was pruned doesn't seem to be anywhere I can find. Does anyone still have the info that used to be there?

    I find the noise "estimates" on that current list very disappointing and was going to see what the other drivers were like to see if it's worth hunting one down and dealing with the Intellipark issue.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2010 #4825 of 10248
    SAH2

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    I am about to replace the original drive in my S3 with a new 1TB drive. (I have been getting many reboots and the green screen for a couple of days now)

    I currently have an external 750GB FAP drive as well that was added during the initial discovery of the kickstart feature.

    From what I understand, once I upgrade the original drive, I will not be able to add a new external drive unless I open the Tivo again.

    Is there a way to "prepare" the new internal drive for an external drive while doing the upgrade? I have an Antec enclosure with 1TB drive, but did not want to attach it until I need the space. (Also wanted to make sure the new internal drive was working for awhile first)

    The FAQ's have grown so much since I added the first external drive, I want to make sure I am doing this the right way.
    Thanks
     
  6. Feb 1, 2010 #4826 of 10248
    richsadams

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    IIRC the only drives that have been removed are the various WD GP drives due to the Intellipark "feature". They were/are among the quietest drives available. If you're willing to run the wdidle program mentioned in the first post you should be in good shape using what was the top recommendation, the WD10EVVS. I haven't used the program myself but I understand that it's pretty easy and a number of folks have had success doing it.

    Otherwise the Hitachi HD31000 is really pretty quiet out of the box (I have two running in a NAS) plus the AAM can be tuned down even lower. The Seagate Pipeline series are dedicated A/V drives and are reportedly very quiet as well.
     
  7. Feb 1, 2010 #4827 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Correct.

    Unfortunately not. Both drives have to be connected to the computer at the same time to perform the "marriage ceremony". You could do that now, but I'm almost certain that when you boot up TiVo would be looking for the external drive and if it wasn't there you'd end up having to go through the divorce procedure.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  8. Feb 1, 2010 #4828 of 10248
    chrishicks

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    Well I did more messing around and I currently have the drive running in an MX-1 case connected via eSATA and as of now it seems fine. Strange that this same drive wouldn't work for either IC or WinMFS for me. Of course I'll be monitoring this for signs of a bad drive just in case.

    With the drive attached I'm currently seeing 197 HD and 1720 SD so if this holds until the summer I'll take another stab at going for internal only even if I lose some recording capacity which isn't that big of a deal as in comparison to having the stock only setup.
     
  9. Feb 2, 2010 #4829 of 10248
    dswallow

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    Where did the noise estimates on the list come from? I'll probably stick with the EVDS drives since I used that on another unit and found it quite good. I had the impression some people weren't able to get the Intellipark feature turned off and instead had to live with setting it to a high value. But if that's not really the case, I've got no problem running a utility on a dirve, if necessary.

    Historically I find Seagate drives to be just not particularly reliably quiet from even the same model drive to drive and their refusal to pay AAM licensing fees just makes me avoid them completely for any quiet-area application. Clackity clackety click all the time was just not fun. If you didn't actually make the heads reverse direction is was quiet, though. :)
     
  10. Feb 2, 2010 #4830 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I think bkdtv picked up the acoustic specs from the manufacturer's websites. In my experience the manufacturers understate the actual noise levels. But most drives rated at >28dBA seem to be quiet enough for a TiVo. IIRC most of the WD GP drive's seek noise is rated around 26dB. Several that I have running were very quiet stock. I couldn't tell much difference once I tuned the AAM down to 128 but it probably helped a little.

    The WD10EVDS should do just fine. Looks like they're going for about $90 which isn't too bad. I'm not sure if it's that particular model, but some WD GP drives apparently don't allow Intelisync to be turned off. But as you mention, they can have the idle time increased to the point where it won't affect soft reboots.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  11. Feb 2, 2010 #4831 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Strange things happen...just glad it's all running well now. We only have 1TB in our Series3 and HD and can never find the time to watch everything we record. Only? Did I say that out loud?! It's amazing to think that 1TB seems small these days. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Feb 2, 2010 #4832 of 10248
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    I recently bought WD10EVDS to replace TiVo HD's internal hard drive. But I don't have any SATA/eSATA port on my laptop to run wdidle3 in order to disable Intellipark. Has anybody found a workaround to this limitation.

    Would it work with CardBus eSATA adapter?

    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
  13. Feb 2, 2010 #4833 of 10248
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  15. Feb 2, 2010 #4835 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Not a silly question at all. The answer is yes, your cable card info, SP's, etc. will be retained with either upgrade method.

    What kind of trouble...and do you mean that you think the trouble is associated with the Intellipark issue or are you just wanting to run the program JIC? The only time you'd notice any issue caused by Intellipark is during a menu restart (soft reboot) where TiVo would hang on the Welcome screen and require a power cycle to get it to boot up properly. Otherwise it has no affect on anything else. Also, what's the manufacture date on the drive? It might not have the "feature" at all unless it's fairly recent.

    I do not believe anyone has been able to run wdidle from a laptop because DOS doesn't recognize USB connections. I'd be happy to be corrected on that though, but AFAIK it's still a no-go and you'd need to beg, borrow or steal a regular PC to run it.
     
  16. Feb 2, 2010 #4836 of 10248
    rocko

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    My problem (as well as others') was the CD-ROM drive was on a SATA port, not the HDD. Since the CD drivers don't recognize the SATA drives you can't map the CD drive to run wdidle3. Hooking up an IDE CD drive fixed that for me but I happened to have an old one hooked up to an old machine.
     
  17. Feb 2, 2010 #4837 of 10248
    ADG

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    I disabled intellipark on a WD drive, replaced the drive, plugged in the S3 and nothing - not even the fan is spinning. There is a faint ticking from the control board where the power connects. Have I lost the unit?
     
  18. Feb 2, 2010 #4838 of 10248
    reubanks

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    Does the fan spin if you remove the hard drive?
     
  19. Feb 2, 2010 #4839 of 10248
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  20. Feb 2, 2010 #4840 of 10248
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    Weaknees thinks the power supply went - just a coincidence. I'll find out tomorrow - ordered a new ps.
     

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