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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 30, 2010 #4801 of 10248
    VodkaStr8Up

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    Is checking what TiVoHD reports the only way to see if winmfs supersize worked? I saved the Mfsinfo data for both the previous 1TB drive and the current 1TB I will be installing into a second TiVoHD. I turned supersize ON for the recent drive but the following numbers are the same for both drives. The previous drives Mfsinfo data was saved over six months ago.

    Total SA SD Hours: 1040
    Total DTV SD Hours: 908
    100% Free

    Regardless of the supersize setting, these numbers are significantly below expected hours with a 1TB drive. I'm wondering if winmfs and TiVo calculate expected hours differently. Maybe the recording quality used in the calculations explain the difference.
     
  2. Jan 30, 2010 #4802 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As you point out, there is no way of knowing the exact data content for any recording so all of the numbers are estimates. As you probably know TiVo's System Information screen should read "Variable, up to 157 HD hours or 1367 SD hours" if Supersize is turned on.
     
  3. Jan 30, 2010 #4803 of 10248
    budf15

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    If this is already answered somewhere, I apologize. I couldn't find the answer. My recently upgraded Tivo HD has worked flawlessly for a few weeks but has recently started to freeze/lock up fairly frequently. I'm assuming it's a HD problem but seems strange since it was brand new and worked flawlessly for almost a month. It's a WD 10EVDS manufactured in Oct 09. Doesn't have the soft reboot problem but for some reason, it'll just freeze during playback or while watching live TV and then that's all she wrote. Have to unplug and hard reboot to get it back. Usually works for an hour or so than locks up again. Wife is not impressed. How do I test the drive to look for errors? I've heard of the kickstart options but should I take the drive out and test it from the computer?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!
     
  4. Jan 30, 2010 #4804 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sorry to hear that your TiVo is acting up. Assuming everything is connected securely it would be worth checking the hard drive temperature on the System Information screen. Anything above 54c or so can cause problems. Odds are it's fine as long as you have some decent ventilation though. If so, it's probably worth running TiVo's built in diagnostic and repair programs called "Kickstarts":

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    If that doesn't help, or it passes the KS54 diagnostic the next step would be to pull the drive and run a full diagnostic like WD's Lifeguard:

    http://support.wdc.com/download/

    The reason it may have worked without any issues is that data being written to the drive hadn't hit any bad sectors. Once it tries to write to bad sectors it can lock up. It's also possible the the I/O error correction is failing for some reason (and would be more apparent on HD's high-data throughput).

    Unfortunately even new drives can fail. Fortunately your drive has a three-year warranty. (Info on RMA's is in the KS post.)

    Hope that helps and let us know how it goes.

    BTW: It's been my experience that most wives are rarely impressed with anything that doesn't work and even less-so with something that you've "turbo-charged"...and then doesn't work. YMMV of course. ;)
     
  5. Jan 30, 2010 #4805 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    My wife's been completely unimpressed since I stopped working :D
     
  6. Jan 30, 2010 #4806 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'll bet she's more than happy with all of the "honey-do's" you've been able to take of for her though...right? :)
     
  7. Jan 30, 2010 #4807 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    taptaptap ... hello? is this thing on?
     
  8. Jan 30, 2010 #4808 of 10248
    richsadams

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    :D
     
  9. Jan 30, 2010 #4809 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You forgot to charge the batteries again! :D
     
  10. Jan 30, 2010 #4810 of 10248
    VodkaStr8Up

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    Our first TiVoHD; currently without MfsSuperSize shows, "Variable, up to 142 HD hours or 1241 SD hours". After setting up our second TiVoHD today with a MfsSuperSize 1TB drive shows, "Variable, up to 144 HD hours or 1367 SD hours". Any ideas why it's not showing ~157 HD hours? Thanks!
     
  11. Jan 30, 2010 #4811 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    It sounds like you skipped a step. If you don't follow the steps exactly as written, the MfsSuperSize option won't be applied.

    Note step #16 under TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings and Recordings. If you skip that step and just select Tools -> MfsSupersize -> On, it won't work.

    Note also that you won't see 157 HD hours unless your TiVo has the 11.0 software. TiVo changed the way it estimated capacity between 9.x and 11.x.
     
  12. Jan 30, 2010 #4812 of 10248
    bmal1

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    Just wanted to report on the success I had upgrading my Tivo HD. I bought a WD10EVDS, a sata to USB adapter, torx screwdrivers and downloaded WinMFS. I followed the upgrade instructions in the FAQ exactly. The upgrade took about 45 minutes. Tivo booted up and everything worked. 157 hours of HD and the drive is quiet.

    My total cost was around $130 which is about what the 1TB My DVR Expander goes for on amazon.

    The drive was dated Oct 10 2009. There was no softboot issue and so wdidle3 was not needed.

    I just wanted to thank those who created the FAQ for such great information and those who have posted on this thread for sharing thier experiences. Without the information provided here I never would have dared to open my Tivo.

    I will give updates to any issues I encounter but after 9 hours, so far so good.
     
  13. Jan 31, 2010 #4813 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well done...and welcome to the club! :up:
     
  14. Jan 31, 2010 #4814 of 10248
    richsadams

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    If you have the current software (v11.0d) you can simply reattach your TiVo drive to your computer, run winMFS and turn on the Supersize option and that will do it. BTW, doing it now (or later) won't have any impact on any recordings or anything else.
     
  15. Jan 31, 2010 #4815 of 10248
    richsadams

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    If anyone is in the market for a SATA to USB adapter, mwave.com has them on sale for a very reasonable $9.99 w/free shipping:

    http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch_v3.asp?px=MP&scriteria=AA51890

    Although I connect drives directly to the MB now, I've used this exact model for upgrades in the past and it worked perfectly. (I've also ordered from mwave and can recommend them.)
     
  16. Jan 31, 2010 #4816 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    That seems to be the going price from any number of eBsy sellers. They do work great. I forgot to supersize one of my newly upgraded drives so I used one of those little babies instead of cracking open one of my many cases :cool:
     
  17. Jan 31, 2010 #4817 of 10248
    S3-2501

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    Man am I glad I checked this thread today! When I did my upgrade I used the WinMFS quick start instructions, which don't mention needing to do the supersize option after using mfscopy. I thought that was only for drives larger than 1TB. Thanks to this post I successfully retroactively supersized my upgrade tuoday.

    Since people are sharing which SATA/USB adapers they're using, FWIW this is the one I used. The box arrived in bad shape, but it has worked fine and I like the versatility of it for use with different drive types.
     
  18. Jan 31, 2010 #4818 of 10248
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    $10.05 - Free shipping

    http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-To-SATA-IDE-3-5-2-5-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Cable_W0QQitemZ380193508997QQcategoryZ31534QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D3%26ps%3D63
     
  19. Feb 1, 2010 #4819 of 10248
    chrishicks

    chrishicks Tivo Junkie

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    I've been searching this topic for what seems like days(about the same as trying to get my new drive working) and I haven't spotted my answer so I'm just going to ask.

    I have InstantCake(for the S3) and I've been trying to get the new drive to take the image. I have 3 PCs(2 desktops and 1 laptop) and I can't get this to work on any of them.

    Desktop 1: all SATA connections. I tried every connection avail. to get the drives setup correctly and no matter what I tried I could never get the cd drive to mount.

    Desktop 2: standard IDE connections. Played around removing drives(has a DVD -Rom + CD-R) removed HDDs, flipped cables around, played with the BIOS and nothing, drive won't mount.

    Laptop: Old Emachines laptop. Had to connect HDD via USB(using an Antec-MX1 case). I get the CD drive to mount right away. However when I get passed that I have issues. I have tried multiple times to get the right drive for my USB drive but it just kicks back "unable to open /dev/hdX to write" and then says press enter to continue. After I hit enter I get a page telling me about cable cards, SPs and so on. Then I get a "your drive has been baked" message a few seconds after.

    Is there an easier way of trying to remount the HDD? because at the moment I have to shut down and reboot after each try. Another thing, I can't leave the USB connected during the reboot because the laptop just hangs which means I can't enter the BIOS with the drive attached.

    I did notice that IC reports the HDD is "sda" when it runs the commands but I can only enter "hdX" when I get to that part. I'm thinking at this point I'm stuck and I'll have to spend the extra money for a preconfigured drive as I don't have access to any other PCs(everyone I know has brand new Windows 7 computers and there is no way they'll let me crack one open to mess with this) but I figured I'd turn to the experts here first.

    Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

    EDIT: I tried using SATA settings for the USB drive and it appears to have worked. I'm hoping everything is fine as I don't think it even took 10 minutes to complete after.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2010 #4820 of 10248
    VodkaStr8Up

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    Viewing the System Info through TiVoHD today now shows 157 HD hours so my dvr must have taken the newer software version since Saturday; all is great now!
     

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