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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 28, 2007 #461 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I assume you attached a power plug to each drive? eSATA cables do not supply power.
     
  2. Nov 28, 2007 #462 of 10248
    jmemmott

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    The expander drives at the Tivo store seem to have come off the back order list for a while. I ordered one and received an email letting me know it was being processed. We will see how long it takes...
     
  3. Nov 28, 2007 #463 of 10248
    jerryv

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    Powered down vista machine, added external power to tivo drive and to WD drive. rebooted vista, both drives recognized, drivers installed, no error messages. opened WinMFS, file/select drive. No drives visible.
     
  4. Nov 28, 2007 #464 of 10248
    DinoBambino

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    It is a humming sound. Almost like the sound of a fan (even though there is no fan in the enclosure). It is not terrible - just seems unusual that it would be that much louder than the TvoHD.

    I picked up the hard drive and moved it into a vertical position and also turned it upside down. The humming sound was constant and did not vary at all.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2007 #465 of 10248
    greggt007

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    i also have the humming sound. not terrible, but definitely noticeable with the tv off. the tivohd was dead silent. i will try to put some kind of soundproofing underneath and see if that helps, since right now it is flat on my entertainment stand behind my center channel.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2007 #466 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    WinMFS beta7 is out, but I don't think Spike fixed the problem with multiple expansions of drives on the THD. (ie. 160GB->500GB>1TB ...)

    I did find a way to do it (stock 160 -> 250 -> 500 now) which you can read about here:

    http://www.mfslive.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2654#2654
     
  7. Nov 28, 2007 #467 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Understood. A lot depends on the surface it's on. If it's on wood or even metal the sound can be amplified or it may even resonate with it (harmonics and all of that). I'm not familiar with the WD cases, but I've had some external drive cases that actually added to the noise level. Some CE stores like Fry's sell HDD insulation kits that include silicone washers for the mounting screws as well as mats that insulate the drive from the mounting tray. I don't know if you can easily open the enclosure though...or if it would void the warranty somehow.

    As greggt007 suggests, you may be able to insulate it from the surface it's on a bit. There are various materials out there but I've found that a decent mouse pad will usually do the trick. The type that's made from wetsuit material seems to work best. Then ensure the least amount of surface is actually touching anything. It might take some experimenting and YMMV.
     
  8. Nov 28, 2007 #468 of 10248
    jlib

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    Not to worry! Spinrite is significantly more sophisticated than basic tools like Data Lifeguard and will do all the drive tests Data Lifeguard can do and more (and non-destructively). If his drive made it through a Spinrite pass it is safe to say it has no surface defects. His problem definitely lies elsewhere.
     
  9. Nov 28, 2007 #469 of 10248
    jerryv

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    OK, now I have disabled user acct control in vista and can see my WD drive which is connected via eSATA to SATA. But still cannot see my Tivo drive, which is connected via SATA to USB.

    Ideas?
     
  10. Nov 28, 2007 #470 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Try disconnecting and reconnecting the USB plug from your computer (while it is running).
     
  11. Nov 28, 2007 #471 of 10248
    TIVOSciolist

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    Thanks for the heads up! I just ordered mine.
     
  12. Nov 28, 2007 #472 of 10248
    jerryv

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    Does not help.

    Upon further examination, the WD drive which is connected via SATA shows up in device manager as a disk drive (and it is visible in WinMFS). My Tivo drive, which is connected via SATA to USB shows up in DM as a USB Mass Storage Devise (under USB controllers)--and it is not visible in WinMFS.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2007 #473 of 10248
    jerryv

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    Since the SATA to USB connection obviously does not work with WinMFS, what SATA cable is recommended to connect Tivo drive to SATA port in my computer?
     
  14. Nov 29, 2007 #474 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    A standard SATA I to SATA I cable like this. These are sold at Comp USA, Frys, etc.

    Here is one from Frys.
     
  15. Nov 29, 2007 #475 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    Did the TiVo drive get assigned a drive letter?

    Did you try clicking the Show Mounted Drive box in WinMFS when selecting the drive?
     
  16. Nov 29, 2007 #476 of 10248
    PaulPW

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    Thanks richsadams. Good to know that my setup has worked for others - makes me suspect the TiVo even more. Once when I was feeling to ensure that the eSATA cable was properly seated that seemed to trigger the problems, so made me suspect the eSATA port on the TiVo... or it was just coincidence! I need to try jiggling it some more to see if it does it again.
    I concur with jlib on Spinrite - see http://www.grc.com. I'll try the Kickstart you suggest though.
    Something I didn't mention before is that most of the time when running normally the blue LED on the MX-1 is solid. But it seems that whenever I experience problems it flickers. How does the LED on your MX-1 behave?

    I've gone ahead and ordered a DB35 750GB - if that doesn't work I'll then have to try a DVR Expander (if still in stock!). Fortunately I'm building a NAS box so will be able to use my current drive and the DB35 in it.
    To keep my recorded shows I plan on mirroring my current drive to the DB35 in my PC using Ghost. Should work, right? Or does TiVo look for a specific drive by serial # etc.??
     
  17. Nov 29, 2007 #477 of 10248
    thilt

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    It may be here somewhere but I can't find it. Is there a 1TB plug and play solution for an S3 that anyone can recommend? If I can avoid cobbling together enclosures, cords etc. I'd like to. Thanks.
     
  18. Nov 29, 2007 #478 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, be sure the eSATA cable is seated snugly...no wiggle room there either. The eSATA cable seems to be the number one problem for people. Either the cable itself causes problems or the connections are loose, etc. I see that you replaced your cable with one of the recommended replacements. Just for the heck of it, you might try using the MX-1's cable to see if by chance you happened to have received a defective cable. IIRC there was one post that indicated that the eSATA connector on their TiVo was defective. The connector actually moved around so you could take a look at that, but odds are it's fine.

    The blue light on the MX-1 enclosure normally flickers whenever the drive is active - generally writing. On ours the flickering is very subtle. Others have reported a more noticeable flicker. My PC external drives (not MX-1's) have a very distinct flicker when they are working...much more so than the MX-1 seems to. If you're experiencing problems when it's flickering I'd say that's a pretty sure sign that there's something wrong with the drive, enclosure or cable.

    TiVo does "register" the drive model, but AFAIK not an actual serial number. (The model number shows up on TiVo's System Information screen.) The model number may or may not be a sticking point if you install a different one. I know people have swapped out enclosures with the same HDD without a problem.

    I'm not sure if anyone has tried copying an existing eSATA drive's contents to a new drive for a replacement yet. My only concern is that if there's a problem with the actual content of the drive then you'd be copying that issue to the new one, but the probability of that happening isn't very high based on what you've told us...sounds very much like a physical issue. In any case Spike @ MFSLive would be the one to ask. You could check on the MFSLive Forum. It would be good to know if it can be done.

    YouÂ’re pioneering some new territory here. Keep us posted! :up:
     
  19. Nov 29, 2007 #479 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The only 1TB P&P eSATA drive that I'm aware of at this time would be Apricorn's 1TB DVR Xpander. I see that it’s currently $329 after rebate. Compared to a DIY project; drive, enclosure and cable, it's pretty competitive and an easy way to get a lot more storage space.

    Apricorn DVR Xpander line

    They were using WD drives a few months ago, but I'm not sure what they are using now. I suspect it's still WD but you could contact them and ask.

    Their DVR Xpander models have a built in fan, come with an eSATA cable, etc. and should work fine for P&P with a Series3. There are a number of people here using the 500GB and 750GB DVR Xpanders successfully and I've purchased enclosures from them that were high quality and had no problems.
     
  20. Nov 29, 2007 #480 of 10248
    thilt

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    Thanks, Rich. Just what I was looking for. I'm adding it to my Christmas list.

    Tom
     

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