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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 18, 2010 #4661 of 10248
    qz3fwd

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    OK-so Seagates are problematic in Tivo's for some reason.
    I guess I'll either get a Hitachi Deskstar 1TB or 2TB drive then.
    Based on comments, I'll get the new S3, let it run for a week or 2 to make sure everything works, then upgrade the internal HDD using WinMFS.

    Is the max 1.36 TB a limit of the kernel, or something stupid tivo restricted, or a WinMFS limit?
     
  2. Jan 18, 2010 #4662 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The 1TB Seagates work fine, they are just louder than the specs suggest.

    TiVo's current SATA driver limits partition size to 1TiB, so max capacity is the original partition (160GB or 250GB) plus a new partition expanded to 1TiB (1.1TB). One or two ebayers figured out a way to expand another partition to allow 2TB with a single drive, but there are no public tools to do that.
     
  3. Jan 18, 2010 #4663 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Got a link to an example of that? Forum post, eBay auction, doesn't matter... just curious...
     
  4. Jan 18, 2010 #4664 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I updated the previous post with a link.
     
  5. Jan 18, 2010 #4665 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Thanks!

    EDIT: Wow, that's pretty interesting.
     
  6. Jan 18, 2010 #4666 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I removed some discontinued drives from the first post to simplify the choices.
     
  7. Jan 18, 2010 #4667 of 10248
    Phantom Gremlin

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    I have a TiVo HD with problems, and I'm going through this right now. I have two hints for you:

    1) Be careful about the "External Storage Missing" screen. Are you sure this isn't a "message" that you need to delete? I was confused by this as well; I successfully divorced an external drive and still kept getting the confusing screen. The solution was to delete the message.

    2) It's quite possible that when an expander breaks, it somehow corrupts the files on the main TiVo disk. Right now I have a different TiVo HD that can't boot. It used to have an expander; I separated the two and the TiVo HD still won't boot. In addition, that expander causes a different TiVo HD to lock up. So, perhaps, as others have suggested, you need to reformat the disk.

    All of this would be so much easier if TiVo simply had decent error messages. Hard disks have error checking. The SATA protocol has error checking. Printing out error messages would be far more useful than what TiVo does now (which is apparently to simply ignore the error status indication).
     
  8. Jan 19, 2010 #4668 of 10248
    HazelW

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    I've had two HD TiVos with expanders go bad. Could not divorce the drives. Could not kickstart. Used Instantcake on new drives and took the old drives out of the expander and reformatted for PC.
     
  9. Jan 19, 2010 #4669 of 10248
    HazelW

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    this is a nice solution except for the cablecard problem. Is there an easy way to get old cablecard info off your old disk and on the new disk?
     
  10. Jan 19, 2010 #4670 of 10248
    Scotty d

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    Hello,

    I've been browsing the threads the past week or so and decided to go with the Hitachi Deskstar 1 TB to up my storage in my Series 3 HD recorder. The new drive makes a faint (but irritating) clicking sound constantly. If the TV is on then you can hadly hear it, but if the room is slient it quicly becomes anoying (additional storage is not worth this).

    Is this just the way the drive is? I read on the posts I could turn down the AAM, but couldn't find out how. Will this even help? Is the drive bad? Could someone advise me on how to proceed?

    Thanks!

    Scott
     
  11. Jan 19, 2010 #4671 of 10248
    pl1

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    One thing you will notice is that those drives are not designed for DVRs. No big deal, but drives that are designed for DVRs "may" be quieter. Anyway, I do not think there is anything wrong with the drive. I think you are hearing the head seeking. I've had this with WD and Maxtor drives. I've noticed it more when a drive was not designed for DVRs. Functionally, it works fine. And the way to turn down the noise is right in the FAQ noted in the first post.

     
  12. Jan 19, 2010 #4672 of 10248
    rocko

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    Installing drives from the eBay guys renders your TiVo as if it were new. Depending on your cable provider you most likely will need to call them to get the CableCARDS re-paired.

    One noteable exception is Verizon FIOS. These CableCARDS can be moved freely between TiVos without any special action.
     
  13. Jan 19, 2010 #4673 of 10248
    Mahty

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    According to Seatools for Windows diagnostics, the 750GB Seagate DB35 HD in my TiVo S3 has been experiencing a seemingly increasing number of bad sectors. I assume that such a situation makes the drive eligible for a free refurbished replacement since it still has 2 years left on its 5-year warranty.

    As per a Seagate Warranty and Returns FAQ, it appears that rather than opting for such a refurbished hard drive, Seagate might allow me, for a small (?) price, to opt for a newer and larger capacity drive. If so, I guess I would opt for the 1TB 5900RPM Seagate Pipeline drive, if available.

    Has anybody ever taken advantage of such a Seagate replacement option? And if so, is such an upgrade a good deal, or might it be cheaper to just buy a brand new 1TB Seagate Pipeline drive on my own?
     
  14. Jan 19, 2010 #4674 of 10248
    Spenner

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    Are you certain about the "pairing" of cablecards to a Tivo's hard drive?

    Last month the upgraded 1TB drive on my Tivo failed. I still had my original drive, which would have allegedly been "paired" with my CableCard. I used the original to re-image/expand the 1TB drive from scratch, and my cable worked fine. The thing is, my original cablecard had been replaced (after the original HD upgrade), so if the original drive had any cablecard info it was for a different card than is in the Tivo.

    Maybe the pairing is somehow on the cable-co's end, with an ID of the Tivo device, or my subscription. But the drive I imaged did not have info from the cablecard that was in my Tivo, and it works fine. I was prepared to have to call the cable-co after my re-imaging, but didn't need to.
     
  15. Jan 19, 2010 #4675 of 10248
    qz3fwd

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    Neat-but what happens during the next Tivo software update?
    Poof-your 2TB Tivo is now inaccessible, or is this a way to force Tivo to officially update their kernel or whatever software is limiting drive capacity.
     
  16. Jan 19, 2010 #4676 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Think of it this way: Your original TiVo image and any image created from it is X. The CableCard is Y. The CableCard pairing is X plus Y.

    Any CableCard pairing will thus work with both your original image and any image created from it.

    From what I've undersand, that doesn't happen with the way they've done the expansion.

    You can only use a >1TB partition with a different SATA driver. You can't use a different SATA driver without PROM mod.
     
  17. Jan 19, 2010 #4677 of 10248
    drey

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    The update works fine, even with 2TB drive.
     
  18. Jan 19, 2010 #4678 of 10248
    cjv2

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    Trying to wrap my head around this.

    The 2TB drives being sold by the guy on eBay are just hard drives. No PROM mod, right?

    But if you can't use a >1TB partition without a different SATA driver, and a different SATA driver requires a PROM mod... then how does he pull this off?

    I just woke up, so if I missed something, tell me I need e-coffee and I'll go away. :)
     
  19. Jan 19, 2010 #4679 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    The E-Starbucks store is right around the corner just off the Information Superhighway. :D
     
  20. Jan 19, 2010 #4680 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    It looks like he wrote his own program to expand another TiVo partition that WinMFS does not touch.
     

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