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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 16, 2010 #4621 of 10248
    Aventinus22

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    I can enter the Kickstart code, but it reboots before the test comes up.

    It looks like I may have to go the Instant Cake route.
     
  2. Jan 16, 2010 #4622 of 10248
    jza80

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    Just finished the backup and install of a new 1TB WD EADS into my S3. Winmfs worked perfectly, I was able to transfer my settings and shows in about 30 minutes. Everything worked perfectly, I copied a truncated image to my PC as a backup and then did a full copy. Zero problems with my cable card or tuning adapter after the upgrade. The drive is so quiet I could not hear it over the cooling fan. Seems to run pretty cool, also as evidenced by the temp after I pulled it out of my PC after the copy finished.

    A BIG THANKS to everyone who helps out with info on this forum, and in particular THANKS to the creator of Winmfs.

    ...In my case, I hedged a bit and purchased my drive from a Tivo specialist reseller on ebay for $119 shipped, I was a little worried about the disk parking problem and the difficulties some have mentioned about disabling it. So this part was done for me already, along with optimized noise settings, and not having to contend with changing firmware was worth the extra few dollars to me...

    Now, I still am interested in finding out about that disk capacity indicator that is showing on the "ultimate convenience hack" .jpg a few posts back...maybe I need to start a separate post for that one...
     
  3. Jan 16, 2010 #4623 of 10248
    dmartin5454

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    I was successful in getting wdidle3 to run on my WD15EVDS. I tried various methods
    on the laptop with no success. I ended up using a friend's desktop, replacing their
    SATA drive with mine and rebooting to run wdidle3. One method I tried was to create
    a bootable USB flash drive in hopes of booting from it with my laptop. I was able to
    boot from it, but it never found my WD drive. It kept finding the built-in drive instead.
    I finally removed the built-in drive and rebooted, but at that point it still couldn't find
    my drive. I'm still puzzled about why that was.

    In any event, here are some tips for folks who would like to create a bootable USB
    flash drive that had wdidle3.exe on it (which is what I used -- most likely the standard
    CD drive with wdidle.exe would have worked as well on the desktop, but since I invested
    so much time and energy in creating the bootable USB flash drive, I wanted to try it).
    Once it worked, I was happy.

    To make a bootable USB drive, first download the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool.
    This can be found at h50178.www5.hp.com/local_drivers/17550/SP27608.exe (sorry
    I haven't posted enough to be able to include links). After downloading, run it and it
    will install the tool. Then find a copy of win98boot.zip. There are many places that have
    it, use Google. Unzip the win98boot.zip to a folder. Plug in a USB flash drive that is
    empty, because it will be formatted. Run the HP tool. It will find your flash drive and
    prompt you for formatting options. Check "Create a DOS startup disk", and then click
    on "using DOS system files located at:". Then you will need to browse to the folder
    that has the win98boot files. Clik Start. When it is done, copy the wdidle3.exe file
    to the drive. You will need to make sure when you use it that your computer has BIOS
    options to support booting from a USB flash drive. I hope this is helpful to others.
    Now, on to actually upgrading my disk in my Tivo HD. I'll report back when that is
    done.
     
  4. Jan 16, 2010 #4624 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats on your "new" TiVo! :up: If you find time, can you post a link to the eBay seller? I'm just curious if it's a TCF member...someone we know or a lurker...particularly if they're already onto the Intellipark fix.

    BTW, there isn't a disk capacity indicator on the Series3 I posted a picture of (or bikini models)...no hack at all...just a nice cup holder. ;)
     
  5. Jan 16, 2010 #4625 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    I believe he is talking about the little "glass half full" indicator just to the left of the Blue LED. The only time I've ever noticed it was during guided setup, but it appears to show it while recording in that "bikini" photo.
     
  6. Jan 16, 2010 #4626 of 10248
    lex3001

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    I am posting this here even though I already posted it on mfslive just in case it helps someone like me save a few hours of time. I hope someone finds this useful!
    --

    I am using WinFS 9.3f to upgrade my TivoHD original. I am replacing the internal drive with a new SAMSUNG EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB that I bought on Newegg in December. I am using the backup and restore method with WinFS on a laptop using a single SATA external USB enclosure. I tested the drive under Windows by doing a full disk format (time consuming) and using a for a few days before proceeding.

    Under Windows 7 64-bit on an Acer Aspire 1420P, I ran WinFS as an administrator after disabling real-time virus protection. Back and restore completed without any errors and I was sure to follow the instructions carefully, indicating to expand but to limit the partition to 1GB when prompted.

    With the new drive in the TiVoHD, the first boot never went past a gray screen. Subsequent boots never went past the initial "Powering Up".

    I tried the whole process twice, checking to make sure I actually connected the drive inside the TiVo, and even backing up and restoring the Kernal and Boot before the Truncated part. All with the same results. I let the TiVo sit on Powering Up for an hour just to be sure.

    Finally, after reading a few posts about potential motherboard issues or other strange behavior, I decided to give a try with a Dell Insprion 800m running Windows XP SP3 and the same version of WinFS.

    I followed all the steps exdactly the same way. One thing I also did under XP which I hadn't thought of under Vista was to "remove hardware" after restoring to the new drive but before disconnecting it from the USB port. Not sure if that matters or not.

    In any case, the TiVo now starts up! It takes about 5+ minutes to get past Powering Up and another few minutes on Almost There before I can use the system. Oddly enough it also lists all the programs I hadn't deleted before the whole process but I imagine they are not really there. It shows 180 hours of HD available. Woo hoo!

    SO, this all begs the question -- is WinFS NOT compatible with Windows 7 64-bit? Or perhaps just Acer Aspire notebooks? If its a Win7 problem, could you please add that to the main instructions? I realize it doesn't say that Win7 is supported, but it also doesn't say its NOT supported...

    One more thing -- when I went back to the WIn7 laptop, I noticed a popup from Windows I had not seen. Perhaps this is relevant:

    [Window Title]
    Program Compatibility Assistant

    [Main Instruction]
    This program requires a missing Windows component

    [Expanded Information]
    This program requires flash.ocx, which is no longer included in this version of Windows.

    [^] Hide details [Check for solutions online] [This program worked correctly] [Cancel]

    Again, there were no errors and everything APPEARED to work fine. Exactly as it did under WIndows XP.

    Thanks for such a great and useful tool! This was much easier to use than when I did my Series 2 way back when and booted into Linux and did it with the command line.
     

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  7. Jan 17, 2010 #4627 of 10248
    dmartin5454

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    I used WinMFS 9.3f to copy my original disk to my WD15EVDS drive. I noticed in the FAQ the following:

    You are about to create a partition larger than 1TB.
    It's too large for a stock TiVo to support.
    Do you want to limit it to 1TB?

    However, I never saw that message during my session, and I followed all the steps as in the instructions. Now when I try to start my Tivo HD, it is stuck on the Powering up screen. Any suggestions?
     
  8. Jan 17, 2010 #4628 of 10248
    CraigK

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    If you do the TiVo Internal Upgrade: Preserves Settings Only procedure, you end up with a bunch of phantom programs listed in your Now Playing List and Recently Deleted Folder that aren't really there. You can just delete them.

    Congratulations on your expanded TiVo. :up:
     
  9. Jan 17, 2010 #4629 of 10248
    jza80

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    That's the one. Not a disk capacity indicator hack, eh? Oh, well.

    Thanks for the clarification. Of course, now that I have 167 hours of HD recording space the issue is not as important as it was when I had only 35!
     
  10. Jan 17, 2010 #4630 of 10248
    jlib

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    Don't be confused by Windows reporting SATA devices as SCSI. All internal drives in laptops are SATA now.

    Turn off any advanced modes relating to SATA in the BIOS setup (look for words like AHCI, enhanced, etc, and turn off or set to compatible).

    If you have a VIA chipset in your laptop, here is a better CDROM driver for your Hitachi-LG drive.
     
  11. Jan 17, 2010 #4631 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    It is just not your week is it? There is a shortcoming in the user interface programming on WinMFS wherein if you linger for just an instant too long when clicking on the previous popup to the one you did not see, you will actually bring to the fore the main program screen exactly when the next popup pops up, thus hiding it. So, it was there all the time, you just did not notice it because it was in the background. Unfortunately, as you discovered, not clicking yes on that message will cause the upgrade to fail. There is no way to fix it except by redoing the whole process again.

    I have now seen this problem 3 times.

    FAQ suggestion: In the part that mentions the above popup, make a note that if one does not see it then minimize the main program.
     
  12. Jan 17, 2010 #4632 of 10248
    jlib

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    There is no particular reason it would not be compatible. I also remember Spike last year saying it was.
    There is no likely connection to your WinMFS problem, though. Let me hazard a guess. Do you have a 3rd party screen saver that is expecting to use Flash for the display (the pop up was there after you came back to the laptop later, right?)
     
  13. Jan 17, 2010 #4633 of 10248
    dmartin5454

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    Tell me about it. I figured it might be something like that so I decided to try the whole process again. (Good tip about the main program screen hiding the pop-up -- I did have the main program maximized on my screen so I couldn't see anything else.) Now for the really bad news (for me). When I tried the process again, the new drive seems to have failed. When it is powered on it, I can hear 5-10 beeps, like it is trying to spin up but not making it. Once the beeping stops, the computer does not see the drive. I have 2 SATA/IDE to USB adapters, and I tried both, same results. I could swap in the old drive and still see it just fine, so I know the adapters are working ok. Also, just powering on the drive causes the beeps, regardless of whether or not the SATA cable is connected. So, I suppose I need to send it back and try for another one. Heavy Sigh.
     
  14. Jan 17, 2010 #4634 of 10248
    dmartin5454

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    Thanks for that information. Unfortunately the BIOS setup did not have any settings like that. I got around that problem by creating a bootable USB flash drive, but when I booted from it, the SATA drive was not seen. I suspect that I needed a SATA driver that was not present in the win98boot files (see my earlier post about that). Any suggestions for finding a SATA driver that would work with the win98boot files?
     
  15. Jan 17, 2010 #4635 of 10248
    dmartin5454

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    Now that I think about it, the bootable USB flash drive worked just fine on the desktop computer (i.e., it found the SATA drive in the environment with the win98boot files). I wonder why it didn't work on the laptop. I think jlib is right -- it just isn't my week.
     
  16. Jan 17, 2010 #4636 of 10248
    nessus

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    I've done two TiVo hard disk upgrades recently, one for a Series 3 and one for a TiVo HD. For both of them, I used 64-bit Windows 7 with WinMFS. The upgrades worked fine for me.

    (That's not to say that I didn't end up with complications that caused me to nearly pull out all of my hair, but that's another story.)

    |>ouglas
     
  17. Jan 17, 2010 #4637 of 10248
    pl1

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    Looking good here. I just upgraded a new THD with a Seagate Pipeline ST31000322CS. It was too easy with WinMFS. Maybe 10 minutes to copy it. And I can tell absolutely no difference in noise level from the WD drives. So, for $85, I am a very happy camper!
     
  18. Jan 17, 2010 #4638 of 10248
    lex3001

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    Did you do anything special as part of the process? The only thing I can think of that thius point is that on XP I definitely removed the USB drive "safely" before unplugging it after restoring, and I did not remember to do that in my Win7 attempts.
     
  19. Jan 17, 2010 #4639 of 10248
    lex3001

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    No 3rd party screen saver, but I think I had a web page open in IE that wanted to use flash. Maybe that was just a red herring.
     
  20. Jan 17, 2010 #4640 of 10248
    nessus

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    A few days back I reported on my ultimately successful attempt to upgrade my Series 3 with a Western Digital WD15EVDS 1.5TB A/V drive. Yesterday, I repeated this endeavor on my girlfriend's TiVo HD.

    Unfortunately, there were a couple of tense snafus again, but ultimately I got it to work. As with previous upgrade, I upped the Intellipark timer on the drive from 8 seconds to 25.5 seconds using wdidle3, and then I used WinMFS (running on 64-bit Windows 7) to copy the original TiVo drive to the new 1.5TB drive.

    Much to my dismay, after the upgrade, the TiVo would just hang forever at "Almost there. Just a few minutes more..." I scoured hundreds of post, and read one where someone suggested restoring that drive from the truncated backup that I made at the beginning of the process to see if the drive worked like that. This would be a restore without extending the drive, etc., since there's less to go wrong in this much simpler process. That way I could see if the problem was with the drive itself (e.g., compatibility of the drive with the TiVo, or something else amiss with the drive), or with some other part of the process.

    So I did that, and voila, the problem went way!

    Much to my surprise, all the video content was still there too. I had expected it to go missing when restoring from a truncated backup, but I guess the video was still sitting in the video partitions, and hadn't been harmed by the truncated restore. This fortunate outcome saved me a few additional hours.

    I then put the drive back into the computer and ran WinMFS again to extend the drive and supersize it again, fully expecting the yellow screen of wait-forever again. But no, the drive still worked great!

    So, who knows what went wrong the first time around, but all's well that ends well!

    |>ouglas

    P.S. There was another snafu that was much worse than the one I mentioned above. This other snafu nearly gave me a nervous breakdown. The one screw that is deeply recessed became stripped and I couldn't get it out. This meant that I couldn't even put back the original drive to fix my girlfriend's TiVo!

    I ran off with her to Home Depot, and I bought $50 worth of tools, including needle-nose vice grips, different screwdriver bits, bits for drilling out stripped screws, etc. In the end, the first and easiest solution was the one that fixed it. A better fitting T10 torx bit worked where my original T10 wouldn't.

    Boy, was that a relief!

    My recommendation to everyone would be to be extra careful with that recessed screw. In fact, I just left it out when putting back together the TiVo. It seems to be completely superfluous, as the drive is held in place quite fine by the other three screws.

    Also, if the same problem had occurred with any of the other three screws, it wouldn't have been so traumatic, as they would have been much easier to access with a vice grip, etc.
     

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