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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 11, 2010 #4541 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the great info Douglas. :up: Can you post a link to the wdidle3 ISO that you used w/your MacPro? I and others here could benefit going forward.

    Agreed. :up:
     
  2. Jan 11, 2010 #4542 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the clarification. Apparently Douglas was able to take care of the Intellipark issue on a WD hard drive with a different ISO on his Mac laptop, but for Wintel laptops, it doesn't look like an option (yet anyway).
     
  3. Jan 11, 2010 #4543 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    I think the boot CD that I created and posted a few pages back in this thread might be the one referred to. I used the FreeDOS OEM Bootdisk and then added wdidle3.exe to it. I'm not sure of the legality of that disk, but I hope it helps others. Here is the direct link to the wdidle3 ISO download : wdidle3 ISO (FreeDos)
     
  4. Jan 11, 2010 #4544 of 10248
    nessus

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    Indeed it is! Thanks for posting about it again, as I would have had no idea where I got it from. I have several wdidle3 ISOs, from various places I can't remember, and that is the only one that would not hang while booting on my MacPro.

    |>ouglas
     
  5. Jan 11, 2010 #4545 of 10248
    nessus

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    Ah, well, not quite. A MacPro is a desktop Mac with internal SATA connectors. (Actually ones that are extremely easy to get to. Popping disks into and out of a MacPro is a joy to behold.)

    |>ouglas
     
  6. Jan 11, 2010 #4546 of 10248
    richsadams

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    D'oh! My mistake...I was seeing MacPro but thinking "MacBook Pro" :eek: So it appears that you just can't adjust or disable "Intellipark" on WD GP drives with a laptop...at least so far.

    BTW, one day my iMac will grow up to be a MacPro if I keep watering it right? :eek: :D
     
  7. Jan 11, 2010 #4547 of 10248
    nessus

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    Btw, you can get to the SATA connector on an iMac, but you have to pull the glass off of the monitor with a big suction cup! And then lift the motherboard out. I'm not sure that I would want to run the iMac with its guts hanging out like that, though.

    You can probably do something equivalent with most laptops. I looked at trying to do that with mine, but then I gave up when I looked at the crazy Swiss-watch-like insides of my notebook....

    In the end, either of those options would have probably been faster than the route I took to getting wdidle3 working, though.

    |>ouglas

    P.S. And people have done minor surgery on Mac minis in order to give it an eSata connector. I'm not sure why Apple doesn't provide one, as doing so would give better performance than Firewire or USB.
     
  8. Jan 11, 2010 #4548 of 10248
    hearncl

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    Second that endorsement of the MacPro. I used mine about 3 months ago to upgrade both a TiVoHD and a Series3 with no problems (WD10EVVS--20 Sept. date--in the HD and Seagate ST31000322CS in the S3). Although I haven't yet seen the soft boot problem, I'd like to have the FreeDOS wdidle3 CD available in case a problem crops up with the WD drive. I'll try to download it from whitepelican's link.

    Nessus, is booting from this CD just a matter of putting it in the MacPro and setting it as a startup disc? (I run WinMFS on Windows XP under Boot Camp.) Any tricks to getting wdidle3 to recognize the correct hard drive in the MacPro?
     
  9. Jan 11, 2010 #4549 of 10248
    nessus

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    To boot from the CD, put the CD into the CD-ROM drive before you power it down. Then reboot the Mac, and as soon as the Mac has shutdown, hold down the Option key, and keep it held down for a minute or two, until you see the display which lets you pick the boot drive. After another minute or so, the CD-ROM will appear, although it will be labeled "Windows". Select the CD-ROM with the arrow keys and press Enter.

    You then don't have to do anything special to boot into FreeDOS. It just happens automatically. (There is some message while FreeDOS is booting to type Enter within the next 30 seconds. You may have to do that.)

    Then you will have a DOS prompt and wdidle3 will be right there. You don't have to do anything to have wdidle3 recognize the drive. It automatically recognizes all WD drives.

    |>ouglas
     
  10. Jan 11, 2010 #4550 of 10248
    richsadams

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    :eek: Precisely why I keep a PC I built a while back around. ;)
    What Jobs has against eSATA is beyond me. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Jan 11, 2010 #4551 of 10248
    bigd2008

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    First time poster here! I'll be upgrading my TivoHD I received for Xmas straight out of the box with the WD10EVDS drive. I ordered it from Amazon on Jan 6th and received it today with a manufacture date of Oct 10, 2009. Looks like pre-November EVDS drives are still being shipped. Upgrading my Series 2 was a headache after the original drive had failed so I'd like to upgrade now and get a head start on an easy recovery solution. Is there any trouble I may run into by perfoming the upgrade before ever powering the unit on?
     
  12. Jan 11, 2010 #4552 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    Yes. Turn it on and set it up to make sure it works. If it's a new box, you'll be voiding the warranty once you open it up, so you should make sure it works first. I would then have it force a few connections to the Tivo mothership to upgrade to the latest software. After doing that and being sure it works OK, then you can go ahead with the disk upgrade.
     
  13. Jan 11, 2010 #4553 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Most of us feel that you should at least power up the NEW TiVoHD and get it running first. That means making sure that all is OK and that the Cable Cards work (if you use them). However, the biggest thing is to get the new software by forcing several connections first. In that way, the backup and image from the original drive will already be configured. I waited a few weeks to be sure all was working OK before I did the upgrade.
     
  14. Jan 11, 2010 #4554 of 10248
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    Like everyone, my TiVo HD 1TB uprade is a long story but I will spare the details. Used a laptop/sata-USB adaptor to backup from 160 GB. After reading this forum, Spike's forum and Ross Walker's forum until my head ached and eyes were sore and my stomach churned about the intellipark issue I probably did a stupid thing - I got a WD10EARS from Newegg hoping for plug'n play. Now I hear (no pun) not only is intellipark an issue but there is some kind of misalignment thing that can cause problems. Here's my question: does anyone think the WD10EARS will work? Is the Hitacchi Deskstar refered to above @$69 from Frys a plug'n play solution?

    All of the advice here has been great and I thank all who have contributed.

    Ray.
     
  15. Jan 11, 2010 #4555 of 10248
    Spenner

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    And save your original drive in case you ever have a problem with the new one. My new drive had problems after about 4 months, thank goodness I was able to swap the original back in and have a working Tivo so I didn't miss any shows while diagnosing the problem drive.
     
  16. Jan 11, 2010 #4556 of 10248
    dlfl

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    Ah so! Doesn't matter ... I'm sure I'll have a new PC with SATA connectors by the time I do another TiVo upgrade. Thanks for the explanation.
     
  17. Jan 11, 2010 #4557 of 10248
    cjv2

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    "some kind of misalignment thing?" Details, por favor...
     
  18. Jan 11, 2010 #4558 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    I think the "misalignment thing" is a Windows problem only, having to do with the 4K sectors of these new drives. I wouldn't think it would be an issue with a Tivo, but it would be nice to get some firsthand reports.

    See here for the Windows XP misalignment problem with these 4K sector drives.
     
  19. Jan 11, 2010 #4559 of 10248
    cjv2

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    D'oh!

    That said, to backyard: Yeah, sounds like a Windows thing. From whitepelican's link: "Notably, Linux and Mac OS X are not affected by this issue. Western Digital has tested both of these operating systems, and officially classifies them as not-affected."

    Tivo, I believe, lives in Linuxland, and WinMFS is intended to respect/emulate the data structures that Tivo uses.

    Didn't someone in here say they set up some EARS without issue?
     
  20. Jan 11, 2010 #4560 of 10248
    backyard

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    Thanks for the responses. It would be great to know if someone had success and there was no intellipark problem.

    This is from Spike on the MFSlive.org forum. The EARS note was added a few days ago.

    Recommended SATA drives for TiVo S3, TiVo HD, TiVo HDXL
    by spike » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:54 pm

    The following drives seem to work well with Tivo S3 (TCD648250B), Tivo HD (TCD652160) or Tivo HDXL (TCD658000).

    Western Digital AV-GP (WD10EVDS) Best choice
    Seagate Pipeline HD 5900 RPM (ST31000322CS)
    Seagate Pipeline HD 7200 RPM (ST31000533CS)
    Western Digital AV-GP (WD10EVCS) EOL
    Western Digital AV-GP (WD10EVVS) EOL
    Seagate Barracuda LP 5900 RPM (ST31000520AS) Bit loud so don't want it in your bedroom


    Drives to Avoid for TiVo Series 3:
    Western Digital GP (WD10EACS) *soft reboot problem on S3 but works on THD
    Western Digital (WD10EADS) *soft reboot problem on S3 but works on THD


    Stay Away from WD "EARS" Drives
    WD10EARS or "EARS" drives have 4KB physical sector aka. Advanced Format.
    Drives currenlty have 512 Byte physical sector and TiVo File System is designed with that in mind.
    So with the 4K sectors, partitions will be misaligned and MFS (TiVo File System) read/write will be misaligned...
    I would think this will cause major slow down, so you should stay away from them until further studies have been conducted on TiVo.
    Stay tuned....
     

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