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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 10, 2010 #4521 of 10306
    jagsgo

    jagsgo New Member

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    hey kookmyers,

    could you elaborate on how you were able to disable Intellipark "feature." Like what exactly I have to do if I need to open up my computer or can I run a program for this?

    thanks,

    jason
     
  2. Jan 10, 2010 #4522 of 10306
    richsadams

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    I think you'll be happy with the Hitachi drive. The one-year old 1TB Hitachi I mentioned earlier came out of a NewerTech Ministack external drive I used for the Mac Mini. It sounded like a jet airplane most of the time. Not only was the drive very loud, it ran quite hot and the Ministack's exhanust fan would run at top speed whenever there was a load. Luckily it was in a cabinet so I couldn't hear it. When I picked up the first new Hitachi HD31000IDK / 7K1000 I was amazed at how quiet it was. I didn't change the AAM because I put it in the Ministack and wanted it to run at the best performance level. But as mentioned they are very quiet out of the box and would probably be even quieter with the AAM tuned down...something that wouldn't affect TiVo. I was going to use the older one and a new one in the NAS but the new one was so much quieter and ran so much cooler than the old one that I ordered two more. I put them both in the NAS. All is quiet and cool on the western front. The old one is on the shelf as a backup for now...maybe I'll e-bay it I don't know. In any case, these new Hitachi drives seem to be very high quality and are quite nice IMHO. :up:
     
  3. Jan 10, 2010 #4523 of 10306
    BrianM83

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    I'm pretty sure my series 3 hard drive is failing. It is slow to respond to commands and will restart itself. The kick start 54 test failed the extend test with "fail 7". not sure what that means. My plan is to replace the hard drive and I don't care if I lose my recorded programs. The instructions seems pretty easy. It seems like everyone is going with the WD drives, but my problem is I only have a laptop so I dont think I would be able to disable Intellipark.

    My question is what hard drive would be the best for me to use as a replacement? Why does it seem everyone is going with the WD drives? I want something reliable and also quiet. 1Tb would be nice, but I'd be happy with 500gb.

    Do you think I will have problems with the swap since my original drive is on its way out?
     
  4. Jan 10, 2010 #4524 of 10306
    kookmyers

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    Jason,
    I wasnt exactly successful at disabling the Intellipark feature. I had to set it to the max value. Everything that you need is listed on the first page. Click on the "internal drive upgrade" link at the top, then scroll down to the list of recommended drives. Under that, there is a blurb about why certain drives were removed from the list and then there is a section that talks about what is needed to disable Intellipark. If you follow those steps and cannot disable it like i was not able to, send the command :
    wdidle3 /S255
    as suggested by Waiting485. (Thanks Waiting485!)
     
  5. Jan 10, 2010 #4525 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hi Brian and welcome to the forum. Short answer...if it were me right now I would go with one of these two drives:

    1TB Seagate Pipeline

    http://www.provantage.com/seagate-st31000322cs~7SEGS1XR.htm

    1TB Hitachi Deskstar

    http://www.frys.com/product/5947234?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

    The Seagate is an A/V dedicated drive (read: quiet) and there are several folks here using them successfully. The Hitachi is a "normal" PC drive but the acoustics can be tuned down to make it even quieter than it already is (see my description above). The first post included detailed instructions for changing the AAM (Auto Acoustic Management) to make them run quieter. It's quite easy to do. Either hard drive should serve you well.

    Many (most?) of us have been using various models of the Western Digital GP/green hard drives for several years now. They are quiet, cool running and have had a very good track record. Unfortunately WD decided to modify their GP drives by employing an "Intellipark" feature that allows the drive to save (presumably) even more energy when not in use. Of course TiVo hard drives are in use 24/7 so the "feature" is moot and as you've probably read, these drives no longer play well with TiVo. Users of more recently manufactured WD GP hard drives have begun to disable Intellipark to be able to use them in their TiVo's. It doesn't sound too complicated but I'm not sure if that can be done with a laptop or not.

    So for now, I'd consider something other than a WD drive and avoid the disappointment you might have trying to upgrade one using a laptop. BTW, were it not for the new Intellipark "feature" I would highly recommend the WD GP drives. The ones in our TiVo's have been flawless.

    Oh, and as long as your TiVo will boot up properly you shouldn't have any problems using its hard drive to image a new one. But I'd do it sooner than later...things rarely get better when it comes to problematic hard drives.

    Hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  6. Jan 10, 2010 #4526 of 10306
    jeffw_00

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    why is the EARS better than the EVDS?

    BTW - I don't think an EVDS should be downchecked for intellipark - it's fairly trivial to disable.
     
  7. Jan 10, 2010 #4527 of 10306
    jagsgo

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    hey guys for anyone who has already disabled the Intellipark "feature." I have a laptop will I have to completely open my laptop in order to connect the sata cable from the WD drive to my motherboard? Or can I use a sata-usb adapter to do it? Opening my laptop to access the motherboard seems pretty complicated isn't it? Is there any other way around it?

    thanks,

    jason
     
  8. Jan 10, 2010 #4528 of 10306
    BrianM83

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    It seems pretty straight forward, but I only have a laptop, and from what Ive read I wont be able to disable it using a SATA to USB adapter. Correct me if I'm wrong becasue I would rather go with a WD drive, but becasue of this I'm giong to have to go with a Seagate.
     
  9. Jan 10, 2010 #4529 of 10306
    cjv2

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    With the existing CD image being supplied, you are correct. Can't disable it using a USB -> SATA adapter. I tried, no dice. Drive isn't recognized as being there, so the utility can't find it to disable Intellipark.
     
  10. Jan 11, 2010 #4530 of 10306
    zeph55

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    Does anyone have a url to a list for the latest HDs recommended for Tivo Series HD.
    My TIVO model is TCD652160; the original HD is WD1600AVBS, 160GB, July '07.

    I had purchased a Seagate LP 1.5TB. Used the Winmfs tools and used the expand option along with restore of the original disk backups.
    TIVO works for a few minutes at a time, 1.5 tb recognized. I
    Did a 1. Uplug the TiVo for 10-15 seconds
    2. Plug in the TiVo and hold the yellow pause button on the remote until the yellow light shows on the front of the TiVo.
    3. Release the pause button and type 57.
    Now I am stuck in a reboot cycle: 'Almost there. Just a few minutes more.'

    Not sure if a "wdidle3 /D" would help.
    So for tonight and for family happiness, I am replacing in the machine the original tivo WD HD.

    Any recommendations for me?? Perhaps I should get a HD off the recommended list?
    Or a Western Digital AV-GP WD15EVDS Hard Drive 1.50 TB - 3.5" - Internal? Or is there hope for the drive I have? I thought I was So Close to success.

    The most current list I saw was:
    Make Model Size Part # Intended for DVRs Noise (10=Best)
    Hitachi Cinemastar 750GB HCS721075KLA330 Yes 7
    Hitachi Cinemastar 1000GB HCS721010KLA330 Yes 7
    Hitachi Deskstar 1000GB HD31000 No 8*
    Hitachi Deskstar 1000GB HDT721010SLA360 No 8*
    Hitachi Deskstar 1000GB HDS721010CLA332 No 8*
    Hitachi Deskstar 1000GB HDS721010KLA330 No 7*
    Seagate DB35 500GB ST3500830SCE Yes 8
    Seagate DB35 750GB ST3750640SCE Yes 8
    Seagate DB35 750GB ST3750840SCE Yes 8
    Seagate Pipeline 500GB ST3500321CS Yes 9
    Seagate Pipeline 500GB ST3500312CS Yes 9
    Seagate Pipeline 1000GB ST31000533CS Yes 7
    Seagate Pipeline 1000GB ST31000322CS Yes 7
    Seagate Pipeline 1000GB ST31000424CS Yes 7
    WD AV 500GB WD5000AVJS Yes 8
    WD AV-GP 1000GB WD10EVCS Yes 10
    Brian
     
  11. Jan 11, 2010 #4531 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hi Brian and welcome to the forum. Yes, you should stick to the recommended list on the first post...end of story. :) (See my post a little higher up for my most recent recommendations for another gentleman named Brian):

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7712809#post7712809

    BTW, the program to disable Intellipark (wdidle3) is only for Western Digital GP hard drives. (Nothing can be adjusted on a Seagate hard drive.)

    FWIW I would return the Seagate 1.5TB drive. I had two that both failed almost instantly and they are notorious for problems (Google search should keep you busy for a while.) Here's my post on my recent experience with them.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7706658#post7706658

    Read all of the first post on this thread and it should answer all of your questions. If not, feel free to ask.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  12. Jan 11, 2010 #4532 of 10306
    wackymann

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    Thanks for all the help in this post - I successfully upgraded my >3 year old Seagate DB35 drive (750 GB) to a new WD 1TB EVDS drive last night. I had seen a few signs that the old drive might be on its way out, and I figured the new drives are so cheap that it didn't make sense to NOT upgrade. It took like 7 hours to do the mfscopy (used SATA-USB cases), so I just let it run overnight and put it all back together this morning. Tivo S3 seems happy, and it is reporting 157 hours of space as expected. I haven't tried a soft reboot yet. I was unable to disable intellipark, so I set it to 25.5 sec as suggested in this thread.

    Now I have 2 backup Tivo drives LOL I guess I can use the original drive for something else now. But at 250 GB, it's hardly worth installing it anywhere.

    One thing I noticed inside the Tivo was the enormous amount of dust collected over the past 3+ years. I vacuumed/blew it all out. I'm guessing it's not a bad idea to do this every couple of years whether you are upgrading or not.
     
  13. Jan 11, 2010 #4533 of 10306
    dlfl

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    I'm confused. Based on my reading of posts here:

    1. You cannot use widdle3 with USB-SATA adapters.
    2. You can use widdle3 with SATA-USB cases.

    (The issue being whether the drive is visible to the program.) Isn't a SATA-USB case electronically equivalent to using a USB-SATA adapter?
     
  14. Jan 11, 2010 #4534 of 10306
    jeffw_00

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    The WD drives have much to recommend them (reliability, price, quiet). I don't see why they shouldn't be 'recommended' for anyone who has a desktop PC. Disabling the intellipark is a trivial extra step.

    Just my $.02.
    8-}
    /j
     
  15. Jan 11, 2010 #4535 of 10306
    wackymann

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    I did the wdidle3 stuff with a direct connection to the SATA connector on the motherboard. I don't have enough SATA power connectors in my PC to have 3 drives going at once, so that's why I switched over to the enclosures for the mfscopy.
     
  16. Jan 11, 2010 #4536 of 10306
    nessus

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    Greetings fellow TiVotees. I've successfully upgraded my TiVo Series 3 internal drive with a 1.5TB WD15EVDS, giving me 213 HD hours! Many thanks to the maintainers of the upgrading FAQ, to the creators of WinMFS, and to everyone who posts useful information here. There were a couple of snafus, though, and so I figured I'd post them here so as to help alert others who might have similar issues.

    I checked and I do not have the "soft reboot problem". I.e., I can reboot the TiVo from the "Restart or reset system" menu, and it all works great. I know that the drive that I chose is likely to have that problem if the "wdidle3" program is not used to prevent it.

    In order to guarantee that I did not have the soft reboot problem, I ran wdidle3 on the drives. This turned out to be an adventure, as I don't have any PC's with a sata controller, and my MacPro at work wouldn't boot off of the wdidle3 ISO posted in this forum. Fortunately, I was able to find a different wdidle3 ISO that uses FreeDOS, rather than MS DOS, and that worked fine on a MacPro. It took me a whole day to get to that point, however!

    Another issue that I came across is that wdidle3 wouldn't elimate the Intellipark "feature" of the WD15EVDS. If I tried to remove it, it would set it to 6300ms, which is less than the default of 8000ms! I was able to increase it up to 25,500ms, however, and that seemed to do the job.

    I did have another serious issue, however. The most recent version of WinMFS has a feature that is not mentioned in the FAQ. When you go to expand the drive, WinMFS will ask you if you want to expand a partition past 1TB. If you say that you do want to do that, then you end up with your TiVo stuck in an infinite reboot loop. I learned this the hard way! At 3am last night.... Then I had to spend a couple more hours reading through this forum to find out what I had done wrong. So whoever is in charge of the FAQ might want to update it to warn people of this rather onerous snafu.

    But all's well that ends well! And next weekend, I upgrade my girlfriend's TiVo. (Aren't I a swell guy, experimenting on my TiVo first?)

    |>ouglas
     
  17. Jan 11, 2010 #4537 of 10306
    MPSAN

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    Brian...the problem is that wdidle3 runs under DOS. That does not mean a dos cmd prompt within XP, but straight DOS. The image that people are getting is a bootable DOS cd with the wdidle3 program included. The problem is that DOS does not support USB, so a SATA to USB adapter will not help. The SATA to USB adapter will work, but for WINmfs. That is because WINmfs is a Windows program, and that will support USB (and the adapter(s)).

    The problem with a laptop is a WDidle3 issue as you can not hook the SATA drive to the motherboard. Even if you did open the laptop it may not work as the SATA drives I have seen in a laptop seem to have nonstandard connectors, but yours may not.

    If you had the bootable CD with WDidle3 on it, can't you bring it and the new Drive to a friend, family, or work and just hook it up to a SATA port? It should only take a few minutes to just get it done.
     
  18. Jan 11, 2010 #4538 of 10306
    nessus

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    Well, hardly trivial if you don't have a PC with SATA connectors, but I agreeĀ–the WD drives should be listed as "recommended" in the FAQ, with the caveat that you'll have to have a PC with SATA connectors or a MacPro, and with links to the PC and Mac CD-ROM ISOs. And a note saying that you might not be able to remove the Intellipark setting (it may get set to 6300ms instead of getting removed), but that you can increase the setting to 25,500ms instead, which appears to be good enough for all intents and purposes.

    |>ouglas
     
  19. Jan 11, 2010 #4539 of 10306
    wackymann

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    I believe the FAQ covers this issue already - see step #16 from the internal drive upgrade instructions:
     
  20. Jan 11, 2010 #4540 of 10306
    nessus

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    Ah, indeed it does! Thanks.

    But not in the step-by-step instructions, which is the only part that I printed out and had sitting next to me while doing the upgrade.

    Perhaps the step-by-step instructions should either include this caveat directly, or say to see the apropriate FAQ entry.

    |>ouglas
     

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