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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 6, 2010 #4481 of 10306
    JonS

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    WiredZone.com. Although of course there is no guarantee you'll get a pre-November drive. I think I picked them just because they were cheapest on a Google product search - usually I go with NewEgg, but they don't carry this drive.

    Jon
     
  2. Jan 6, 2010 #4482 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Got it...and right, no guarantee of what you might end up with, but for anyone wanting this drive it might be worth a try. Thanks again. :up:
     
  3. Jan 6, 2010 #4483 of 10306
    dgarrick

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    Hey Kook and thanks for the Newegg heads up. I saw that Newegg was cheaper for the WD10EARS as you say but I have 2-day Prime delivery on Amazon so I opted a pay Amazon's extra cost so's it would be here by the weekend although Newegg typically has fast delivery here also but just didn't want to chance it.

    I'll report back on how the EARS upgrade went. Doing an external Seagate 1.5TB with Antec MX-1 enclosure expansion drive along with the WD10EARS internal drive upgrade.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2010 #4484 of 10306
    schwinn

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    Is anyone actually using the Seagate LP drive in their Tivo? Is it a drop-in replacement as well?

    I know that the WD EARS is the favorite right now, but I have had terrible luck with WD drives in the past, including one in my S1 Tivo... the Seagates I have had, on the other hand, run for MANY years without issues... which is why I'd like to keep to that brand...

    (I have a stack of dead WD drives from numerous computers <2years old, while my ancient 20GB Seagate (now retired) ran for 10 years with no issues. The Maxtor and WD in the S1 Tivo both failed after <1.5 years... the Seagate in there now is still running after more than 6 years.)
     
  5. Jan 7, 2010 #4485 of 10306
    richsadams

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    You know a few years ago I would have been right there with you regarding WD Vs Seagate. Seagate drives were bullet-proof and WD's were, well, let's just say that folks that knew anything about HDD's avoided them like the plague. However I think times have changed...about 180 degrees. I was a Seagate man for many, many years. They produced a very high quality product. However in the past few years their problems have continued to mount with recalls, firmware problems, etc. It's as if WD and Seagate switched QC labs and personnel.

    My more recent experience includes five WD GP drives, all of which have been flawless. Last month I bought an NAS and two 1.5TB Seagate LP drives to fill it from Amazon because they had a great price. One of the drives was terribly noisy (far louder than the specs indicated) wouldn't format and the other had the "click of death". I returned both drives. The reviews before and after were mostly bad. More here (http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barra...iewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending).

    So I'd do some more research before going down the Seagate path right now. YMMV of course.

    BTW I wouldn't call the WD EARS model a "favorite". They just hit the market and AFAIK no one has installed one in a TiVo. They may not work at all...probably will, but who knows? I'm looking forward to hearing dgarrick's experience with one. He'll join the TiVo Pioneer's Club if he's the first. (Free T-shirt and all!) ;)
     
  6. Jan 7, 2010 #4486 of 10306
    yukit

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    I am waiting for a WD20EARS drive to become widely available though the Hitachi 2TB drive has been working just fine so far.

    I was doing some research regarding the physical sector size change from 512 to 4096. It seems Vista, Windows7, OSX & modern Linux distros are able to recognize the new physical sector size. I don't know where Tivo fits in among the Linux versions.

    I would also think apps like MFS Tools & WinMFS may be affected depending on the drive is emulating the 512 sector or not, but I don't want to state anything here without a 1st hand knowledge.

    Here is a bit of info on the drive. I also found some discussion on SPCR forum:
    http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691&p=1
     
  7. Jan 7, 2010 #4487 of 10306
    whitepelican

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    I'm using a 1.5TB Seagate LP drive (model #ST31500541AS) in one of my Series 3's. It works. But it is much, much noisier than the WD WD10EADS that I have in my other unit. I had to swap my Tivos around because the Seagate was much too noisy for the bedroom. The WD10EADS is so quiet I can't hear it at all even with my ear up to it.

    Two other 1TB Seagate/Maxtor drives that I've purchased in the past couple of years both had firmware problems.

    Stick with the Western Digital. You've been warned.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2010 #4488 of 10306
    cjv2

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    I can't speak to the current generation of WD drives with respect to longevity, for obvious reasons. But the 500TB drive I stuck in a NAS back in '07 is still going strong, as was the 160GB drive in my TivoHD up until I replaced it with a 1TB. Also, both the 160GB and the 1TB are insanely quiet. I was working with them bare in the open air and I could hear them... if I turned everything else around me off or got up close and personal with them.

    YMMV...
     
  9. Jan 7, 2010 #4489 of 10306
    scottndsky

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    Greetings Tivo Community,

    I'm a long time lurker, first time poster...

    I just replaced my stock Tivo HD drive with the previously recommended WD10EVDS, purchased from Amazon. The date of mfg. is 06 OCT 2009. The copy operation went smooth except that I had to pull the drive and redo the "supersize" manually. Answering "yes" to the prompt at the end of the copy operation left me with 142 hours. After manually &#8220;supersizing&#8221; I got the full 157 hours.

    So far I haven't encountered any functional problems with the new drive. I can perform the soft reboot with no problems so I don't think I'm affected by the Intellipark issue. I haven't exercised all of the features yet (like local network transfers), but all the recording and playback features seem fine.

    My only complaint about the new drive is the noise. I&#8217;m referring to the base-level hum/vibration, not the clickity-clack of the heads moving around. My Tivo sits in an entertainment cabinet, and it never bothered me before. With the new drive the vibration reverberates out of the cabinet and is quite annoying. I resorted to putting some packing foam underneath the Tivo which has helped a lot, but I never had to do this with the original drive. Now my Tivo sits atop some ugly pink foam.

    Does anyone have any suggestions? Does this AAM setting impact the base-level vibration? Is this normal? Considering the Intellipark thing, should I return the drive and hope for a quieter one? Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  10. Jan 7, 2010 #4490 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    The "soft reboot" issue (and the fix) only affects WD10EVDS drives manufactured since November.

    The WD10EVDS already ships with AAM enabled. Some small variance is expected from drive to drive, but what you describe doesn't sound normal. It's possible you got a dud, noise-wise. Another possibility is that the drive platform or case screws weren't tightened completely, causing resonance; I would check that. Just be sure not to overtighten the screws to the point where you harm the threads.

    If your TivoHD is on a shelf in a cabinet, you might want confirm that the shelf is really flat. Many cabinets have adjustable shelf mounting brackets, and if they aren't level, the shelves will resonate. I've had shelves mounting brackets move and come loose while I moving equipment around.

    For my silent PC, I use rubber feet to minimize resonance, although I've never had a need to do that with the Tivo. That would probably be a better choice than packing foam.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2010 #4491 of 10306
    brncosrule24

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    Will these methods work if the original hard drive is bad and you can't use it to copy file to new hard drive? If not, how would i accomplish this?
     
  12. Jan 7, 2010 #4492 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    It may be possible to perform a truncated backup (FAQ #20A) on a drive that no longer boots in the TiVo. If WinMFS is unable to backup the drive, it will report an error.

    If you can't backup the drive with WinMFS (i.e. if it reports an error), and don't have a prior backup of the TiVo software lying around, then you would need to use DVRUpgrade's InstantCake Restore CD to restore a copy of the TiVo software to a new drive up to 1TB.
     
  13. Jan 8, 2010 #4493 of 10306
    bubu

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    I just completed an internal drive upgrade to the WD15EARS on a Series 3...It looks like the "intelipark" feature did make it into the drive...and it was enabled.

    The S3 refused to boot with the drive after a WinMFS upgrade until I ran the wdidle3 /d utill on the drive from dos.

    It looks like the new WDxxEARS models are plagued by the same issue as the previous generation WD Green drives...

    -bubu
     
  14. Jan 8, 2010 #4494 of 10306
    bubu

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    ...forgot to mention, the WD15EARS is silent. I can't hear it seeking with the cover off on the TiVo while it is indexing. Big improvement over the Barracuda 7200.10 750gb drive I had in there previously (which I could hear clicking from 15 feet away).
     
  15. Jan 8, 2010 #4495 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Thanks much for the reports on the WD1514EARS...and being a real TiVo Pioneer! :up:
     
  16. Jan 8, 2010 #4496 of 10306
    dspaeth

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    I have the same problem with the noise described by scottndsky using the same drive WD10EVDS. You can feel the vibration when you place your had on the Tivo cabinet. My Tivo sits in an exposed glass entertainment stand and you could hear the hum from across the room. Placing extra padding under the Tivo's feet helped. I used squares cut from an old black mouse pad. I wonder if this vibration shortens the life of the drive?
     
  17. Jan 8, 2010 #4497 of 10306
    scottndsky

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    That's what I'm wondering! I'm torn about sending it back. If I had more time on my hands it would already be back in the box on its way back to Amazon.

    I checked all the screws - nothing is loose. The drive itself just vibrates more. You can feel it when the drive itself is in your hand. The box and the cabinet just magnify it. The foam I'm using is a flat piece of pink foam about 1/2" think. It elevates the entire Tivo from the shelf. It's working pretty well, but it's not very pretty...

    Maybe I'll order another drive, deal with any Intellipark issues, and return the quieter of the two drives.

    Scott
     
  18. Jan 8, 2010 #4498 of 10306
    schwinn

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    Thanks for the detailed and thorough response. I'll admit, I recently had some dealings with the Seagate 750GB drives (5 in all). 1 came "bad" and wouldn't complete a RAID5 restore. Two others have been flaky for the RAID0 setup that's on a friend's computer (they are now operating fine, for some reason). I do recall the firmware issues with the 1TB drives...

    I currently have a 500GB that's my in my main computer (Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS, 7200 RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive). It's silent (quieter than the WDs I usually pull out of other customer's computers) and runs with no issues... so I'm rather surprised to hear of all these noise complaints... particularly with the LP drive (which lists a lower acoustic spec than the WDs). (The 500GB I mentioned above lists 2.6/2.75 bels ~ 26/27.5 db for idle/seek... while the 1TB LP lists 1.9/2.0 bels...)

    Heck even the Seagate in the Tivo S1 is silent... I can't imagine a newer drive making more than one that's 6 years old?

    Anyway, maybe it's time for me to give WD another try... I'll certainly consider it. Thanks for the input.

    If anyone else has experiences with Seagate (and LP drives) I'd love to hear more...
     
  19. Jan 8, 2010 #4499 of 10306
    richsadams

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    All good. I did neglect to mention that I have a 500GB Seagate DB35 HDD in a reserve PC which has been flawless (and extremely quiet). I had it in an Antec MX-1 enclosure connected to our Series3 a few years ago when we discovered the old Kickstart install hack. I "retired" it when I upgraded to a 1TB internal.

    AFAIK no one has had any complaints about Seagate's DB35 AV line of HDD's. I haven't taken a look at what they have to offer now but that might also be an option (although they are a bit pricey by comparison).

    Let us know how it goes!
     
  20. Jan 9, 2010 #4500 of 10306
    jagsgo

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    Hello guys I'm a first time poster but have been reading through posts for awhile. I'm having trouble starting the winmfs program up. I have read through the instructions on the first page about connecting two harddrives to preserve the settings and recordings. I seem to be stuck on step 9 and 10. I have windows XP and I believe that you can't start winmfs the normal way? I'm not a computer person at all in terms of dealing with drives and all that stuff. Please any help would be appreciated.

    p.s I bought a WD10EADS for tivo HD

    thanks

    jason
     

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