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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 3, 2010 #4461 of 10248
    HazelW

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    Note if you have a fairly recent computer your SATA may be set to AHCI in teh BIOS. If so, DOS will not recognize your disks. Reset to SATA in the BIOS and it should work fine.
     
  2. Jan 3, 2010 #4462 of 10248
    selectplayselect

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    What I eventually deduced is that DOS access to SATA drives won't work with any of the PCI SATA controller cards I could find, only integrated motherboard SATA. Also, if there are multiple SATA controllers on the motherboard, then DOS might only be able to see drives on one of them. Changing AHCI in the bios is also important. Once DOS is happy, wdidle3.exe should be able to see and manipulate the drive settings.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2010 #4463 of 10248
    yukit

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    I picked up an Hitachi Deathstar 2TB (HD32000 IDK/7K) for my desktop or NAS upgrade, but I figured I would try the Tivo upgrade.

    Mfscopy took about 3.5 hours to copy from an original drive with WinMfs.
    I have managed to complete the upgrade without missing any regularly scheduled recordings :up:

    The HDXL did not boot up the first time, it got stuck on "Powering up" for about 10mins, so I had to hard reboot again. The soft reboot with Restart menu option took about 5 mins till the THX logo.

    This drive may not be as quiet (I have already set AAM to 128) as the WD GP drive, but my spouse has not noticed the difference. I will probably end up swapping the drive for a WD GP 2TB eventually.
     
  4. Jan 4, 2010 #4464 of 10248
    dgarrick

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    I would like to add an esata Antec MX-1 Seagate 1.5tb drive to my Tivo HD. I see and understand the expansion instructions for building your own eSata drive. BUT what I do not see addressed is the resultant Now Play List view.

    I want to pre-load the expansion drive with several thousand videos (avi, mpg, etc. - includes a lot of video shorts) which are in multi-level folders (more than two levels in some cases). I assume the resultant NPL will be very, very long and time-consuming to navigate?

    Currently I play the videos from a networked drive but it is very time-consuming to transfer a "playlist" of musical shorts from my collection one-at-a-time during a viewing session.

    Can I build the eSata expansion drive, pre-load it with several thousand videos, plug it into the Tivo, crank it up, and see the videos with their multi-level folders in the Now Playing List, navigate into the multi-level folders, click & play?

    1) Can you in fact pre-load the expansion drive?
    2) If not, how the transfer thousands of multi-level folders so that they show up somewhere in the NPL without making the NPL too long?
    3) Is there a better way to do this?

    Thanks for any help!
     
  5. Jan 4, 2010 #4465 of 10248
    whitepelican

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    No, that won't work.

    Your best bet would probably be to set up a networked drive and run pytivo. Pytivo will retain the folder structure, so that part wouldn't be a problem. As long as your network is fast enough, then you should be able to just "click & play" on any video on your drive.
     
  6. Jan 4, 2010 #4466 of 10248
    dgarrick

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    Actually that is what I am doing now and it does work but not well-suited for 1000's of video shorts.

    Any way to add expansion drive and then reconstruct multi-level folder structures on the NPL by transferring the video content from the network drive to the NPL?

    Thanks for your help.
     
  7. Jan 4, 2010 #4467 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Unfortunately, the current TiVo software does not support subfolders for videos stored on the DVR.
     
  8. Jan 5, 2010 #4468 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    is it worthwhile to enable acoustic management on the new WD Green drives (like WD10EVDS)? How much difference does it really make? Does it ever cause problems?
     
  9. Jan 5, 2010 #4469 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hey Jeff. I haven't used the EVDS model but have experience with WD's EACS, EVCS and EADS lines. All three were very quiet out of the box (5400 RPM drives are fairly quiet as compared to 7200 RPM drives anyway). I lowered the AAM on all three, but I have to admit that after doing so there wasn't a whole lot of difference to my ears...and that was with them sitting bare on top of my computer. Inside TiVo I'd think it wouldn't make much of an impact. I've never had any problems with drives after adjusting the AAM. AFAIK no one else has either.

    If it were a TiVo in my bedroom I'd go the extra mile, but otherwise I don't think I'll make any adjustments if I have the occasion to get another one. YMMV of course.
     
  10. Jan 5, 2010 #4470 of 10248
    doctord

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    Jeff,

    I just installed a W10EADS in a TiVo HD for my bedroom after trying a couple of other brands that were too loud (Seagate and Hitatchi). Before I installed the WD drive, I turned off the head parking and set the AAM to 128. It was super quiet but I was experiencing some strange behavior. It only occurred when I was transferring video to the bedroom unit from my Series 3. I would see some stuttering on live TV and had some menu hang-ups such as when I hit the NPL it would would show up on top of the video without the background and hang. Strangely enough it didn't seem to happen while transferring video from my computer, only the S3.
    I originally thought that it might have something to do with the wireless connection, so I ran an Ethernet cable to the bedroom. Same issues. I took the drive out and it tested fine. I decided to exchange it for another one because I was convinced that it had to be bad. When I put the new WD drive in the HD, I forgot to set the AAM and although it was quiet, I could still hear it faintly at night. I did not notice any of the bad behavior that I was having with the first drive and thought I was home free. Last night I took the drive back out to set the AAM to 128. The drive is now virtually silent but the stuttering and menu hangs are back intermittently when transferring.

    My opinion is that the drives are quiet enough out of the box for any room but a bedroom and when you turn down the AAM it does affect drive performance. I would try it first without setting the AAM and see what you think.
     
  11. Jan 6, 2010 #4471 of 10248
    kookmyers

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    Just received my WD10EVDS today and looking forward to the project this weekend! It was manufactured Dec 7 2009.
     
  12. Jan 6, 2010 #4472 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Be aware that you'll need to follow the instructions to disable the Intellipark feature on that drive.
     
  13. Jan 6, 2010 #4473 of 10248
    kookmyers

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    Do I need to be aware of anything with regards to following these steps using a PC with Windows 7?
     
  14. Jan 6, 2010 #4474 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Well, you can't disable Intellipark from within Windows 7. You have to use a boot CD.

    But as far as everything else, the instructions are no different under Windows 7 than they are under Windows Vista.
     
  15. Jan 6, 2010 #4475 of 10248
    JonS

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    A quick data point for you guys. I just successfully completed replacing the stock 160GB drive in my TiVo HD with a WD10EVDS. I was about to order the drive when I noticed it had been removed from the recommended list. However, when I saw that the "soft reboot" problem could be easily resolved, I decided to get the WD10EVDS anyway, since it seemed like the best drive for this application.

    Anyway, as it turns out the drive I received was dated on 10/23/2009 and I've confirmed it does not exhibit the problem.

    I transferred all the recordings (the drive was pretty much full) to the new drive, which took only 40 minutes or so. The upgrade process took about one hour from start to finish.

    Thanks to the community for the instructions, the tools and the knowledge!

    Jon
     
  16. Jan 6, 2010 #4476 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice work Jon and welcome! Curious, where did you buy your hard drive? Just wondering who has some older stock on hand. TIA and enjoy!
     
  17. Jan 6, 2010 #4477 of 10248
    jlib

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    Very interesting! Technically, changing the AAM setting should have no performance effect and I believe your report is the first. I would be interested in the additional data point of what happens if you again reset the AAM to default setting (which I assume you are going to do).
     
  18. Jan 6, 2010 #4478 of 10248
    dgarrick

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    Can anyone confirm that the WD10EARS is in fact plug 'n play (and not plug 'n pray), or, at the least a minimal-hassle TiVO HD upgrade solution?

    I am getting ready to click the Amazon Buy button.
     
  19. Jan 6, 2010 #4479 of 10248
    waiting485

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    This is where I am confused too, I installed the WD10EVDS drive which had the intellipark issue, now my friend is looking to upgrade his HD Tivo and I am wondering should I recommend the above drive or the new WD10EARS drives, looking at the western digital website they have specifically mentioned that WD10EVDS drives are ideal for

    Set-top boxes (PVR, DVR and IPTV)
    Media servers
    Media centers
    Surveillance

    http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=617

    The WD10EARS drives don't have such mention.
    http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=763

    I am leaning towards recommending WD10EVDS drives as it is very easy to disable intellipark feature.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2010 #4480 of 10248
    kookmyers

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