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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 30, 2009 #4441 of 10248
    CraigK

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    It's all about when you bought the drive and what the date of manufacture was. The EVDS drives are just starting to show up with the Intellipark problem.

    I did two TiVo HD upgrades (in October and November) using EVDS drives that worked fine...

    ... but that was after my first attempt failed. I ordered an EVVS drive and it was delivered the same day it was taken off the recommended list in this thread. The new EVVS drives were starting to show the Intellipark problem during the week the drive was being shipped .The Intellipark problem (only recently diagnosed) is gradually migrating to other WD drives like the EADS and EVDS.
     
  2. Dec 30, 2009 #4442 of 10248
    richsadams

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    If you go back through the recent posts you'll find that the WD10EVDS also began displaying the same Intellipark issue with drives manufactured in November.
     
  3. Dec 30, 2009 #4443 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sweet and thanks for that. Looks like your WD10EADS' October manufacture date was early enough to miss the Intellipark change over. Enjoy! :up:
     
  4. Dec 30, 2009 #4444 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I don't suppose you recall the November date on your EVDS? It would be better if we could specify a specific date that WD added Intellipark to the WD10EVDS, rather than "sometime in November."
     
  5. Dec 30, 2009 #4445 of 10248
    sweez

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    1. It's possible since the assumption is that the feature is aggressively parking the read/write heads on the drives. I can also say that I experienced the same on my EADS drive two weeks ago. I knew this was a sign the hd was dying. Problem was confirmed by a WD diagnostic tools test. Simple test didnt complete. Read errors were reported. I ordered a replacement EADS before knowing about the Intellipark issue. Working fine. As a precaution, I disabled Intellipark on the new EADS. I'll create another posting detailing my upgrade experience.

    2. Wont affect recordings, but chances are disabling it will be too late. I disabled the feature on the old drive and the WD tools still reported read errors. The hd was dying.
     
  6. Dec 30, 2009 #4446 of 10248
    sweez

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    Just thought I would contribute my experience on using a newly purchased EADS drive for my Tivo HD.

    Six months ago, purchased a EADS from Zipzoomfly. Was able to swap out the original WD 160 drive easily. The EADS drive was working fine and quietly over the past six months until two weeks ago the Tivo starting acting funny.

    It starting freezing on a couple of recorded programs and during live TV. Then it rebooted itself. I immediately suspected the drive was starting to die. About 90% of the time there was no freezing. However, I quickly ordered a new EADS from Newegg knowing this would only get worse over time. The drive arrived the next day (oh, how I love their fast shipping).

    To refresh my mind on the upgrade instructions, I came here. I was shocked to see the EADS was no longer recommended. Luckily, there was info to make it work (thanks to drey!). I figured it was better to try that than return for a restocking fee or delay the repair.

    The new EADS I received was dated September 2009. Same firmware and model as the old one. Old one was dated July 2009.

    Model Number: WDC WD10EADS-00M2B0
    Firmware Number: 01.00A01 ​

    I was hoping to get a good backup from the old EADS using winmfs. Hooked up to a USB SATA enclosure. Completed successfully. Phew!

    Ran the WD diag tool, windlg, on the old EADS. It reported read errors on the simple test.

    06-Quick Test on drive 2 did not complete!
    Status code = 07 (Failed read test element)
    Failure Checkpoint = 105 (Unknown Test)
    SMART self-test did not complete on drive 2!​

    Tested the new EADS with windlg as a precaution. Completed both simple and extended tests. Extended test took over 8 hours using USB/SATA. Simple test took less than 5 minutes.

    Ran wdidle3 /r on both old and new EADS using another machine with SATA on the motherboard. Both were enabled and set at 8000 milliseconds.

    Then restored the backup to the new drive using winmfs. Connected it to the Tivo HD. Got past "Powering up" msg. Flickered and showed "almost there" msg. Flickered again and rebooted to "Powering up" msg. Then I got the Green screen saying Tivo needed to do a repair and would take three hours. I shutdown Tivo. At that point, I wasnt sure if the backup I had was good or it was somehow the Intellipark issue on the new drive.

    Then I tried disabling Intellipark on the old drive using wdidle3 /d. Put back into the Tivo HD. Booted fine. I concluded Intellipark didnt make difference whether on or off on my two EADS drives. I figured I had a less than perfect backup.

    Reconnected the new drive and the same Green Tivo repair screen appeared. Let it run its course this time. Completed after 3 hours and then booted fine. I guess the backup wasnt perfect. Tivo was able to repair it.

    Decided to disable Intellipark on the new EADS just in case this was the cause of the old drive failing. It booted up fine in the Tivo HD.

    Just something to note, the Tivo To Do List was missing stuff from my Season Passes. I reordered the Season Pass list. That didnt fix it. I added a new show to the Season Pass and that got the To Do List to reindex.

    Everything is working fine now, Tivo and the new EADS drive. The old EADS drive was still under warranty. Returning to WD for a replacement.

    Thanks to everyone in the community. Reading your experiences truly helps! Hope this helps someone in return.
     
  7. Dec 30, 2009 #4447 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    Where can I get wdidle3.exe? - the link in the post in the first page doesn't appear to work.

    I did find it here

    http://home.arcor.de/ghostadmin/wdidle3_1_00.zip

    Is this the same thing? (txt file says version 1.00 for DOS, copyright 2005 - 2008)

    Also - some people mention setting the timer to a different value - is this better than disabling it?

    Thanks!
    /j

    (I have an EVDS I'm putting in this weekend, it's dated 10/15 but I'm going to wdidle it first anyway, - can't hurt, apparently)
     
  8. Dec 30, 2009 #4448 of 10248
    mrbeefhead

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    sweez, thank you VERY MUCH for sharing your experience. may I ask how long it took to back up your old EADS? i'm going to replace my EADS but am really not looking forward to losing all of my recordings.
     
  9. Dec 30, 2009 #4449 of 10248
    CraigK

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    Even though I ordered the drives in October and November, the date on both was 01 AUG 2009. I probably got some of the last from the older batch at Amazon. Lucky for me or I would have repeated my EVVS experience.
     
  10. Dec 30, 2009 #4450 of 10248
    drey

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    Not sure why link doesn't work for you. It works for me just fine.

    You can certainly use the above wdidel3 if you like, but you'd have to make a bootable CD on your own.

    Note, that if you use wdidle3 version 1.03, the timer will be set to a long time but not actually disabled. If you use wdidle3 version 1.0, the timer will be disabled. In my experience disabling the timer resolve the issue with soft-reboot every single time, while setting to 65 sec or longer was hit or miss. I'd personally would suggest disabling the timer.

    -- Andrey
     
  11. Dec 30, 2009 #4451 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Some employers block t i n y u r l, I think.
     
  12. Dec 30, 2009 #4452 of 10248
    drey

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    I think you're right.

    jeffw_00, you can send me PM if you need a direct link. You're not doing drive upgrades while at work, are you? :)
     
  13. Dec 30, 2009 #4453 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    No, not at work - appears my hosts-file protection was blocking it. Got it now.
    thanks
    /j

    So does the iso image run 1.00 (good) or 1.03 (not so good)? (ANSWER: 1.0)
     
  14. Jan 1, 2010 #4454 of 10248
    fpage77

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    I just ran wdidle3 /D on my WD5000AVDS and showed as feature disabled. I double checked by running the command wdidle3 again by itself and confirmed it shows as disabled. I've booted my TiVo and once up all the way went in and choose to do a restart and wouldn't you know it it goes past powering up screen and boots. Thanks drey!
     
  15. Jan 1, 2010 #4455 of 10248
    drey

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    You're very welcome! Enjoy your 500GB drive!
     
  16. Jan 2, 2010 #4456 of 10248
    mellenfan

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    I have wdidle3.exe on my computer - when I run it from a DOS screen it was cannot execute. When I simply double click the exe file a window pops up and then disppears.

    What am I doing wrong?

    Also, will this also work for Hitachi drives?
     
  17. Jan 2, 2010 #4457 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    it doesn't run in windows. you need to boot your PC into DOS (what's provided in the FAQ is an ISO image to burn to CD and boot off of).
     
  18. Jan 2, 2010 #4458 of 10248
    cjv2

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    (1) Are you running it from DOS, or from a command prompt inside Windows? It won't work properly inside Windows.

    (2) The utility is from Western Digital, designed by them for the drives that they manufacture. Not Hitachi's drives.
     
  19. Jan 2, 2010 #4459 of 10248
    selectplayselect

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    Hello. I just upgraded a TivoHD with a 1tb WD10EADS drive that I ordered quite some time ago (drive is dated 7 Aug 2009). This thread was a big help, but I still had to hunt a few things down that changed a bit over time. I thought I'd post a quick summary in case others are going down the same path.

    First, to set the acoustic management values in the drive, one must use an older version of the Hitachi Feature Tool than is currently available from the Hitachi website. I found that version 2.05 of the feature tool is included with the Ultimate Boot CD 4.1.1. and it works fine. It's a free download. My drive had the acoustic management disabled by default. I enabled it, and set the value to 128, the most quiet.

    Also, I had issues with wdidle3.exe, the DOS utility that allows one to disable the Intellipark feature that is becoming common on WD Green drives. I burned the ISO to CD, but had problems with the included DOS CDROM driver not recognizing many of my optical devices. Also, wdidle3.exe seems picky about which SATA controllers it likes. To simplify things, I ended up putting the wdidle3.exe file onto a Win98 DOS boot floppy that worked everywhere, then I tried various motherboards with onboard SATA until I found one that allowed wdidle3.exe to see the drive.

    Once I got that far, I used wd3idle to confirm that my drive had "idle3" enabled, which seems to be the indication for the Intellipark feature. I tried using "wdidle3 /D" to disable Intellipark, but it would not work. There was no error reported, but subsequent runs of wdidle would show that the drive still had "idle3" enabled and set to some small number of milliseconds. As a workaround, I used "wdidle3 /S255" to set the "idle3" delay to 25500 milliseconds. That solved the Tivo soft reboot hang problem for me.
     
  20. Jan 2, 2010 #4460 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Note the first post to this thread (the FAQ) links to the Hitachi Feature Tool v2.11 boot CD that allows AAM adjustment. That function was changed in 2.12+.
     

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