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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 29, 2009 #4421 of 10248
    cr33p

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    I too thought that maybe it was this drive, so I tossed in a new WD10EADS, and get the exact same results. Not sure why? I can get it to take changes in the /S switch but it just pretends to run the /d command and returns that it is set to 6300 milliseconds
     
  2. Dec 29, 2009 #4422 of 10248
    waiting485

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    When I ran wdidle3 on my wd10evds drive, it seems /d option is case sensitive , I was getting error when I ran with /d option, but when I tried with /D it disabled the intellipark.
     
  3. Dec 29, 2009 #4423 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Yeah I tried every which way, never recieved errors though. Just would take the command and then spit out its enabled and set to 6300 milliseconds? Who knows

    Update: Set the EADS to 255 = 25500 milliseconds and soft reboot problem gone, I will just use the eavs for something else :) Still not sure why the damn /D switch wont work
     
  4. Dec 29, 2009 #4424 of 10248
    usurpah

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    I have a WD10EADS on the way to me now going into a TivoHD. I just ordered the drive this week from Amazon, so I'm assuming I'll be seeing a "newer" EADS with the Intellipark issue.

    My question is a simple one, is this issue only on the S3 or on the TivoHD as well? Is the TivoHD affected by the Intellipark problem?

    Great thread, everyone. Thanks for the info!
     
  5. Dec 29, 2009 #4425 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    It affects both.
     
  6. Dec 29, 2009 #4426 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to hear things are working now. Since your WD10EVDS was manufactured on November 29th and another manufactured on November 24th both displayed the Intellipark issue, (plus all of the newer HDXL reports) that pretty much confirms all of the WD GP line of drives have moved to that particular technology now. :(
     
  7. Dec 29, 2009 #4427 of 10248
    jlib

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    That is interesting. It only mentions the NoTouch head ramping technology which is the mechanical method IntelliPark uses at idle. Maybe they have stopped using the term IntelliPark (the parking meter company has been using that trademark longer). I can't find anything past this summer from WD that uses the term IntelliPark. The whole parking at idle thing was one of the prime elements of the GP series, though. They would't be able to make the same power use claims without it.
     
  8. Dec 29, 2009 #4428 of 10248
    jlib

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    I would have thought there would be BIOS extensions built into the card. Did it come with any DOS drivers? Maybe try something like the Ultimate Boot CD and see if any of the DOS boots it includes sees the drive. If so, swap disks and run the WD utility.
     
  9. Dec 29, 2009 #4429 of 10248
    Newbie

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    I put a WD10EVDS in my tivo3 HD 2 weeks ago. It seems to work.

    There is a strange problem: when the tivo finished playing a recorded video and nobody is around to use it, it would eventually start playing live video. When this happens there is a lot of multi-color lines on the screen as though the video is partially corrupted.

    Strangely, if I press "live TV" button, the problem goes away. Any ideas?
     
  10. Dec 29, 2009 #4430 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congratulations on the upgrade! What you're experiencing is not normal. I'm assuming it didn't do that before the upgrade? Do you have an external hard drive connected? Does it do this no matter which tuner it's on or is it just on one tuner? HD or SD or both?

    I'd try power cycling TiVo (unplug it, wait 10 seconds or so for the hard drive to spin down and then plug it back in). If it continues I'd slip the original drive back in for a short period to see if the same thing occurs. If so it might have something to do with your cable cards, or a TiVo tuner. If not I'd RMA your new drive.

    Hope that helps and keep us posted!
     
  11. Dec 29, 2009 #4431 of 10248
    fpage77

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    If anyone out there doesn't have SATA on their motherboard like me I found a solution to get the drive SATA drive recognized easy. I bought a SATA to IDE adapter which plugs into the IDE slot on motherboard and then you connect the SATA drive too. The drive is seen by the computers BIOS and is addressable from DOS as a IDE drive. I'm not tearing my TiVo apart till end of week to turn of Intelipark but it was a challenge in just getting the old SATA TiVo drive working in DOS as test. I tried a SATA PCI card first and the card itself saw the drive and would work in Windows with drivers installed but in DOS drive was not found.
     
  12. Dec 29, 2009 #4432 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    One other option, that I have not tried, is to connect the SATA Drive to the PC's MoBo SATA Port and configure the MoBo BIOS to configure the SATA as IDE...I know I have that option in the BIOS and when done it is easy to set it back again.
     
  13. Dec 29, 2009 #4433 of 10248
    Arcady

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    So basically, I can't upgrade my drive at all? There's no way to recompress it back to original size, then re-expand to the larger drive? I used to do this with my DirecTiVo boxes.
     
  14. Dec 29, 2009 #4434 of 10248
    kokoko

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    I'll bite; I need to replace the stock drive in an S3.

    Please explain your last sentence; why wouldn't I want to use a 4K disk as a TiVo drive?
     
  15. Dec 29, 2009 #4435 of 10248
    jlib

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    Hey, that's what guinea pigs are for ;)

    I, too, would be interested in knowing more about this. When the ATA8-ACS standards were first being talked about, the thought was that even though the physical sector would be 4K (for efficiency), it would need to be able to present itself logically as the standard 512 (for compatibility). So, if the option on the drive is to switch whether it logically appears as 4k or not, then you definitely want that turned off for legacy hardware such as the TiVo.

    Edit: See Annex C and D in the referenced document for the relevent discussion.
     
  16. Dec 29, 2009 #4436 of 10248
    usurpah

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    Well, I had no issues with this upgrade in my TiVoHD. My WD10EADS had an october build date, but I still checked out the wdidle3 utility to check the state of the Intellipark. I never got the bootable cdrom to work (I have a goofy motherboard), so I quickly built a bootable USB flash drive using the HP USB Storage Tool (google for "usb disk storage format tool" and click the link to extremeoverclocking.com) along with the Windows drivers linked on that page. After I built that USB stick, I copied on the wdidle3.exe to the drive. Booting off the USB, it showed me that the Idle state thing was "disabled" and to check I ran the program again with the /D switch. No issues.

    I then burned the "ftool" iso that is linked in the faq on the first page of this thread to check the state of the Automatic Acoustic Management setting. Querying the drive showed me that it was set to the lowest amount (128).

    After that I fired up the mfslive CD and first took a backup of my current 160gig TiVo drive to a file saved to the USB stick, and then did a drive copy with expansion to the new 1tb drive. That took about an hour (I didn't have much on the TiVo drive). Popped the new drive into the TiVo and with the confidence from reading this thread, I buttoned up the TiVo without testing first and screwed everything back together. Fired it up and have a perfectly working upgrade.

    Great thread, great community on this forum, great tools created to complete this job. Thanks everyone.
     
  17. Dec 29, 2009 #4437 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice work. :up: Did you attempt a menu restart? If the drive was manufactured in October it may or may not hang at the "Welcome" screen. If so, just power cycle. I'm just curious. :rolleyes: TIA
     
  18. Dec 29, 2009 #4438 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    Silly question -why are people buying the WD10EADS when WD10EVDS is available? why muck with intellipark if you don't have to?
    /j
     
  19. Dec 29, 2009 #4439 of 10248
    usurpah

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    Hi Rich. I can confirm that the TiVo restarts normally when selecting restart from the settings screen. No issues at all.

    Simple enough reason for me: the FAQ was updated with the EADS issue on 12/26. I bought my WD drive from Amazon on 12/23. It's a 10 minute fix, no big deal.
     
  20. Dec 29, 2009 #4440 of 10248
    kokoko

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    According WD's product page, the WD10EVDS features IntelliPark.

    Am I missing something here?

    I can't post a link since my post count is <5.
     

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