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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 24, 2009 #4381 of 10306
    waiting485

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    Tried menu restart couple of more times and each time it got stuck at welcome screen for more than 10 mins, thinking of running wdidle3.exe to disable intellipark.

    How do I execute wdidle3.exe? do I just run it from R: or S: without specifying any drive letter? how I am going to know that it executed for TiVo Disk and not for my PC's actual disk?
     
  2. Dec 24, 2009 #4382 of 10306
    waiting485

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    Ran the wdidle3 with /D on WD10EVDS to disable idle timer and now the softboot issue is gone.

    Before running the /D option I ran wdidle3 with /R to see if idle3 timer is enabled and for how much time, here is the output I got.

    Model WDC WD10EVDS-63U8B0
    Idle3 Timer is enabled and set to 8000 milliseconds.

    One question though, are there any other effects of disabling Idle3 timer??
     
  3. Dec 25, 2009 #4383 of 10306
    cjv2

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    Experiment is progressing. Finally finished imaging the WD10EVDS in a 2-step process (original Tivo drive to image file, then image file to new drive) using SelfImage. About 21 hours for each step.

    The result? Right now I'm watching a recording that carried over successfully.

    No issues with soft restart.

    So if you're stuck like me with just a laptop and a single USB -> SATA doodad, and you want to keep your recordings, there is hope for you. Don't bother using the compression on SelfImage though when creating a Tivo drive image... earned me a whole 2GB out of 160GB. Not worth it.

    Now... off to open up the extra space on this drive with WinMFS and see what happens...

    ** epilogue: it went boom, see 3 posts below. **
     
  4. Dec 25, 2009 #4384 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Thanks very much for that and glad to hear things are acting normally. Can't speak to the Idle3 timer question, but AFAIK everyone else's drives are functioning normally. Thanks again and enjoy!
     
  5. Dec 25, 2009 #4385 of 10306
    richsadams

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    It looks like the Intellipark issue has found its way into the WD10EVDS line of hard drives at least post Nov 24, 2009 manufacture date. Hopefully the upcoming EARS line won't display the same problem. However for now it appears that it's best to avoid all Western Digital GP ("Green") drives going forward. For those that do want to use them be prepared to disable the Intellipark "feature".
     
  6. Dec 25, 2009 #4386 of 10306
    cjv2

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    Well, that was a bust...

    Went to use WinMFS to do an MFSAdd and... clicked OK and... kablooie. Blew up WinMFS. WinMFS then wouldn't access the WD10EVDS drive at all; any attempt to do so crashed WinMFS.

    Had to let Kickstart beat up the drive to get WinMFS to stop crashing, and even then, the drive was still useless ("Not a Tivo Drive") so went the truncated backup/restore route.

    All is now well, upgraded, but lost all recordings. Ah well.
     
  7. Dec 25, 2009 #4387 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Well, how frustrating is that after going to all of that trouble? Sorry to hear about the set back, but glad it's working. :up:
     
  8. Dec 25, 2009 #4388 of 10306
    cjv2

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    Well, it was kind of frustrating, but it was kind of fun in its own way. I narrowed the problem down to some kind of trashing of the zone map by the failed WinMFSAdd, but since I had no way to crack said zone map open to do manual repair, no dice.

    What was most interesting about the exercise is that the partition table laid out by the image restore (before imploded WinMFSAdd) was markedly different than what I got from the backup->restore->WinMFSadd->WinMFSSuperSize activity. The restored partition sizes were the same, restored zone map lined up, but all the partition bases were different. Not sure what to make of that.
     
  9. Dec 25, 2009 #4389 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...me either but I'm sure someone more wise will chime in. Enjoy!
     
  10. Dec 26, 2009 #4390 of 10306
    LordGoofy

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    Just want to thank everyone, my install of the WD 1Tb drive in my TiVo HD went flawlessly yesterday thanks to the great information here. Thanks again.
     
  11. Dec 26, 2009 #4391 of 10306
    richsadams

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    :up: Welcome to the "club" and enjoy!
     
  12. Dec 27, 2009 #4392 of 10306
    bkdtv

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  13. Dec 27, 2009 #4393 of 10306
    whitepelican

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    Is it true that the WD Green drives don't work in a standalone Series 2 Tivo? I had a WD10EADS working just fine on my DirecTV HR10-250 (apart from the soft reboot issue) for several months. Once I disabled the Intellipark feature, that drive worked perfectly in the HR10-250. But in reading the initial post in this thread, Section V, #13, paragraph 1 states that:
    The HR10-250 is a Series 2 DirecTivo, although it's a curious case since it is also HD capable. But I would assume that any drive that worked in that unit would work in other Series 2's. I'm just curious if there is some evidence that these drives don't boot at all in a standalone Series 2 Tivo, or if whoever reported this problem was just using the wrong PATA-SATA adapter.
     
  14. Dec 27, 2009 #4394 of 10306
    drey

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    Only newer WD Green drives that are affected by the "soft-boot" issue will not work in Series 2. Once you disable Intellipark, these drives will work fine.
     
  15. Dec 27, 2009 #4395 of 10306
    doctord

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    I thought I would share my upgrade trials.
    The subject is a TiVoHD for my bedroom that sits on a armoir a few feet away from the bed. The upgrade is to a 1TB drive.

    Try #1 was a Seagate ST31000528AS. It came with AAM disabled. I enabled it and set it to 128 with HDDScan.
    Results: Way too noisy for a bedroom. No clicks, but drive seeks made a deep thud or hum-like sound. I had to tune both channels to a channel I didn't receive to quiet it down at night. It might be ok for inside an enclosure or the living room.

    Try #2 was a Hitachi HDS721010KLA330. I set AAM to 128.
    Results: The seeks were quieter, but the drive spin was louder and caused a vibration. If the left front foot of the TiVo touched the armoir, it created a constant hum. Not as annoying as hearing the drive seeks, but not a good solution for the bedroom. I also noted that the drive was hotter to the touch when I opened the TiVo. Again, it might be ok for another situation, but the vibration was troubling.

    Try #3 is a Western Digital Green WD10EADS taken from a My Book Essential. It came with AAM set to 254 which I changed to 128. I used wdidle3 to disable the head parking. Note that HDDScan also has a setting to disable or adjust the idle timer, but I didn't try using it.
    Results: Excellent. It is almost silent. I really only hear the fan on the TiVo at night. Soft reboot works fine. The drive is barely warm to the touch.

    The bottom line is that I should have followed the recommendations of this forum and went with the WD drive from the start. I just thought I would share my findings for the other penny-pinchers out there that base their drive choice on price. Although, your results may differ, why take a chance.
     
  16. Dec 27, 2009 #4396 of 10306
    cjv2

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    Would be interested in the details on that EADS drive. I tried disabling the idle with HDDScan on mine with no positive result before returning it. Also, my drive had AAM set to 128, if HDDScan is to be trusted as a "settings reading app" across a USB->SATA connection, and I had some doubts about that.
     
  17. Dec 27, 2009 #4397 of 10306
    thomaslue

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    I have a TIVO Series 3 HD with the Antec MX-1 attached. I believe I am using on of the green DVR-rated drives that you all recommend in the FAQ. Since I have had relative success with this setup, my instinct tells me that I could duplicate this (the exact same enclosure and hard drive) to expand the capacity of my Apple Time Capsule, which currently serves as a Time Machine backup volume and as our family music server (Sonos).

    Question: How is my logic? Doesn't it make sense to use a DVR-rated drive for this purpose, since it would get similar wear and tear?

    Thanks,
    Thomas
     
  18. Dec 27, 2009 #4398 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    Should I modify the drive table as shown below to add the WD10EADS, WD10EVVS, and WD10EVDS with the note on Intellipark, or keep it as is without those drives?

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    [b][u]Make   [/u]  [u]Model    [/u]    [u]Size [/u]  [u]Part #         [/u]  [u]Intended for DVRs[/u]  [u]Noise (10=Best)[/u][/b]
    [COLOR="Red"]Hitachi  Cinemastar   750GB  HCS721075KLA330        Yes                7[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Red"]Hitachi  Cinemastar  1000GB  HCS721010KLA330        Yes                7[/COLOR]
    Hitachi  Deskstar    1000GB  HD31000                No                 8*
    Hitachi  Deskstar    1000GB  HDT721010SLA360        No                 8*
    Hitachi  Deskstar    1000GB  HDS721010CLA332        No                 8*
    [COLOR="Red"]Hitachi  Deskstar    1000GB  HDS721010KLA330        No                 7*[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Red"]Seagate  DB35         500GB  ST3500830SCE           Yes                8[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Red"]Seagate  DB35         750GB  ST3750640SCE           Yes                8[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Red"]Seagate  DB35         750GB  ST3750840SCE           Yes                8[/COLOR]
    Seagate  Pipeline     500GB  ST3500321CS            Yes                9
    Seagate  Pipeline     500GB  ST3500312CS            Yes                9
    Seagate  Pipeline    1000GB  ST31000533CS           Yes                7
    Seagate  Pipeline    1000GB  ST31000322CS           Yes                7
    Seagate  Pipeline    1000GB  ST31000424CS           Yes                7
    WD       AV           500GB  WD5000AVJS             Yes                8
    [COLOR="Blue"]WD       AV-GP       1000GB  WD10EADS               Yes               10[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Blue"]WD       AV-GP       1000GB  WD10EVVS               Yes               10[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Blue"]WD       AV-GP       1000GB  WD10EVDS               Yes               10[/COLOR]
    [COLOR="Red"]WD       AV-GP       1000GB  WD10EVCS               Yes               10[/COLOR]
    
    Drives [COLOR="Red"]highlighted in red[/color] are discontinued.
    
    Drives [COLOR="Blue"]highlighted in blue[/color] only work correctly if Intellipark is disabled,
    as described in [url=http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=370784#drey]FAQ #13[/url] below.
    
    For subjective noise rating, 10=best and 1=worst.  Noise ratings marked with *
    assume that AAM is enabled and set to 128, as described in [url=http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=370784#AAM]this FAQ[/url].
    Note there will always be some small variance from part to part.
     
  19. Dec 27, 2009 #4399 of 10306
    whitepelican

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    I ran my WD10EADS for months with the AAM apparently set to 254 and I couldn't hear the drive at all. I then changed the AAM to 128 while I had it hooked to the PC to run wdidle3.exe. I would say it sounds exactly the same now, which is completely silent. My conclusion is that it is an extremely quiet drive and I'm not sure if the AAM is actually even doing anything.
     
  20. Dec 27, 2009 #4400 of 10306
    richsadams

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    My instinct would be to exclude all of the WD GP drives for now since there are alternatives. Although I don't think it's a huge chore to disable Intellipark, adding yet another set of instructions is bound to confuse some folks (who will wind up here asking more questions) and cause some disappointment for others that can barely get the basic upgrade right. My two cents. :)
     

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