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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 2, 2009 #4181 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Just got in about 4 new WD10EADS Units and any of them built in August Or Sept exhibit the soft reboot problem, not sure if it has been mentioned before or not, but I noticed when I unplugged the drive from the unit after the soft reboot hang it wasnt even spun up? Im sure this is not new news but if it is, just wanted to offer my info up. So like others have stated, something is telling the tivo not to re spin up the drive after a soft boot.

    Why though did it always exhibit in the S3 unit and not THD at first? wouldnt this also confirm that its partially a Tivo problem as well? Something in the OS code?
     
  2. Dec 3, 2009 #4182 of 10248
    Dssturbo1

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    With the Tivo S3 unit it would work as a plug and play type situation.

    BUT with the Tivo HD unit it only works as plug n play with the Tivo officially supported WD My DVR expander 500Gb or 1Tb drive units.

    So Yes using your Tivo HD unit you would need to use WinMFS to marry your external esata drive to the internal unit, then should work just fine. Or you could just use your new 1Tb drive to replace the original Tivo HD drive. Maybe your preferred option since you need to open and remove the original drive anyway
     
  3. Dec 3, 2009 #4183 of 10248
    soliari

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    Thanks for the response. This was my fear going into it .... my problem is I don't have a desktop. All my home computing is done on laptops, so ... ugh.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2009 #4184 of 10248
    Joe3

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    I did it on old HP Tablet.

    Go back and study this thread.
     
  5. Dec 4, 2009 #4185 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sound advice on both counts. Use winMFS and your original TiVo drive to image your new drive and replace the miniscule internal drive in your TiVo HD. Put the original on the shelf as a backup. You can use a laptop. Everything you need to know is in the Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ.
     
  6. Dec 4, 2009 #4186 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Apologies for misleading you regarding the SATA cable. :eek:

    Did you actually receive a Fantom enclosure that has USB/Firewire/eSATA connectors? The drive listed only offered USB/eSATA. The enclosure w/Firewire usually costs another $30 or more. If so I wish I would have ordered one at the time for my Mac! :mad:

    In any case, enjoy!

    BTW, I just checked the MacMall and OnSale web sites and both are down for "maintenance". Leads me to believe that they are indeed the same company...or at least share the same server. Coincidence? I don't think so.
     
  7. Dec 4, 2009 #4187 of 10248
    MojoRilla

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    I would highly recommend the Kobalt 8-in-1 Precision Torx Head Screwdriver from Lowes. It comes with both #10 and #15 tips, and works perfectly on the hard to reach hard drive screws. And it is only $5.98. Only drawback is that it is not magnetic.
     
  8. Dec 4, 2009 #4188 of 10248
    zundian

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    I bought a WD10EADS 1TB drive and a Calvary Dual HDD Dock. When I put either the original TiVoHD drive or the new HDD in the dock, it will be seen in WinMFS, but when they're both in, nothing appears in WinMFS.

    Is there some way to do a full backup in WinMFS?
     
  9. Dec 4, 2009 #4189 of 10248
    Nihilator

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    Are the switches in the correct position on the drive? I don't have mine in front of me, but that dock can be set up to either show individual drives or a single drive spanned across two physical drives. Check the sticker.

    By the way, I tried to do the same thing, but since it wasn't obvious how to do it, I just said 'forget it'.

    --Chris
     
  10. Dec 4, 2009 #4190 of 10248
    zundian

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    It's set up for JBOD (or Just a bunch of disks). Doesn't matter which slot I use for either drive.I finally just gave up and cannibalized my optical drive's sata connection, which finally got it to work.

    I called Calvarty and the tech support guy said that sometimes the drive spanning on the docks just doesn't work, so I guess mine is getting returned.
     
  11. Dec 4, 2009 #4191 of 10248
    soliari

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    Thanks for the advise.

    I'm using a macbook pro ... i broke down and put an XP bootcamp partition on it for this upgrade.


    I started the process tonight, but I had to terminate it due to time constraints. It had been sitting there running for about 1hr 7 minutes when I terminated it ... but it was at sitting at the marker "Estimated time to complete: 7:03 minutes" for about 20 minutes. Is this a normal type of situation and how long is a reasonable time to give it before I quit the mfscopy procedure?

    I was hoping to take over the 2 shows (about 2 hours of HD) that are left on the TiVo, but I guess I can do without them and use the backup/restore method if I must.

    Again, your advise is appreciated.
     
  12. Dec 5, 2009 #4192 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Time to transfer between drives depends on two things: the amount of data being transferred and the transfer rate. Some HD recordings are very big, some are more compressed. USB has a very slow transfer rate by comparison to SATA, etc.

    It's normal for the system appear idle. (IIRC there's some reference to that in the first post.) If you have a program to verify activity it will show that work is being done in the background. That's not to say that it might not have frozen for some reason, but reports of things appearing to be static are very common.

    I've never used a virtual machine to create an upgraded drive so I've no idea how long it would take to transfer a couple of HD recordings. Seven hours seems like a long time, but between the slow data transfer rate, any conversion process (if there are any) or whatever it's possible. Perhaps someone else can chime in on that.

    Truncated backup/restore is going to be much quicker of course.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  13. Dec 5, 2009 #4193 of 10248
    soliari

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    Very strange. I started the process again this morning and it only took 32 minutes to complete.

    I did change some power settings in XP tho to leave all hard disks on forever and to never sleep.

    TiVo now reports 157 hours HD recording time! Awesome!

    Thanks for the quick responses and patience!
     
  14. Dec 5, 2009 #4194 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Saahhweeet!! And all on a Mac? Priceless. :D
     
  15. Dec 5, 2009 #4195 of 10248
    brooster

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    Hi Rich,

    I got the drive from tiger direct. It was sold out at the other places.
    I ordered a cable got the drive working (179 Hrs HD!) with my tivo but it is a Noisy drive! It sounds like somebody practicing morse code. clickity clickity. Is there much difference in the noise levels on these drives?

    bruce
     
  16. Dec 5, 2009 #4196 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    One other thing I do to make it a lot faster is to delete the recordings that were in the erased listing...they are still there so when you say there are 2 HD shows, I bet there are a whole lot more!
     
  17. Dec 5, 2009 #4197 of 10248
    richsadams

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    What you're hearing is head seek movement. Drive activity noise varies...it depends on the AAM (auto acoustic management) level set by the manufacturer. That controls the seek speed. High seek levels cause more noise than lower/slower seek levels. TiVo doesn't benefit from high seek levels. Most A/V drives are set to low seek levels and along with other features are usually very quiet.

    I'm a little surprised as Fantom has been using the WD GP hard drives in their "Green" series which is one of the quietest they make. Earlier users posted that the Fantom drives they have were quiet. I wonder if they've switched to something else? If you have a moment can you post the drive model number? TiVo Central > Messages and Settings > Account & System Information > System Information. Scroll down to the second screen and you should see a drive number next to the "External Storage" line.

    The AAM setting on most drives (Seagate being the exception) can be changed/lowered (from 258 or so to 124) by running a program called the Hitachi Feature Tool. It's a very simple procedure however it usually involves connecting the hard drive directly to a PC (SATA connection on the MB) so I'm not sure if it will work with a drive inside an enclosure. I don't know why it wouldn't but I've never tried using it that way. Perhaps someone can chime in? MPSAN?

    It's also possible that there is something wrong with the drive, but until we get the drive model number we won't be able to check the specs to see if it's supposed to be quieter or not.

    Glad to hear that you have a lot of new real estate...but the noise issue is troubling.
     
  18. Dec 5, 2009 #4198 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good point! I always forget that. :eek: There probably should be a recommendation in the Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ suggesting that if you don't think you'll need any of your deleted recordings to permanently delete everything in your Recently Deleted folder before upgrading.
     
  19. Dec 5, 2009 #4199 of 10248
    zundian

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    Before finally giving up and opening up my PC, I was able to change the AAM setting on my WD10EADS while it was in my (apparently faulty) USB dual drive dock.
     
  20. Dec 5, 2009 #4200 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Rich, I have always connected the drives to SATA ports on a MoBo with an ICH10R so I have not tried a USB converter to run it. I do know that the WD diags liked the SATA and did not like the USB converter I tried on my other system. I am not sure just what tool I used and am not sure it was the Hitachi tool. I would have to look the next time the other system is on.
     

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