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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 18, 2007 #401 of 10248
    rdtex

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    I have 2 series3 tivos and want to make a backup drive just of the os only in case I ever need to replace a failed drive. Using the WinMFS program will I need to make a backup of each series3's drive or can I make a backup of the os that could be used in either series3?

    I wasn't sure after reading the instructions. Sounds like the backup you make can only be used in the exact machine, not another same series3.
     
  2. Nov 18, 2007 #402 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The truncated backup includes some settings specific to that Series3.

    You can can restore that backup image to either Series3, but you will need to perform a clear and delete after you restore the image to the other box. That clear and delete may require your cable company to reactivate your CableCards.
     
  3. Nov 18, 2007 #403 of 10248
    rdtex

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    Thanks for your reply. I'm not using cable cards so I guess all I would have to do is clear & delete and setup the channels and other custom settings?

    I just ordered a usb to sata adapter kit from ebay so I can make it as simple as possible. I will feel better knowing I have a backup so I can quickly swap a failed drive if either series3 drives fail.
     
  4. Nov 18, 2007 #404 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Correct.
     
  5. Nov 18, 2007 #405 of 10248
    steinercat

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    Agreed. Doesn't make sense that WD would discontinue the drive if it was selling so well. Unless there was something technically wrong with the drive.

    I'm going to check oout the BB in my area today and ask.

    BTW. BB Business had them in stock a few days ago (status said "In Stock"). I checked back when I got home to order and they were out of stock again.
     
  6. Nov 18, 2007 #406 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You can check local availability at Best Buy with this link. If you intend to purchase from Best Buy, don't forget your 10% off coupon.
     
  7. Nov 18, 2007 #407 of 10248
    jerryv

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    I followed the link under FAQ III #10 forSATA to USB cables to marry my upgraded TIVO drive and my WD DVR Expander. I bought the product from Newegg (following the link.) They did not send me the exact brand listed (SYBA), but rather a Creative I/O product---but nonetheless, a USB 2.0 to SATA cable. The SATA connection on this cable does not fit the SATA terminal on the WD drive.

    any ideas?
     
  8. Nov 18, 2007 #408 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    That cable fits your internal drive, but not the eSATA drive, correct?

    I forgot to update that link for USB -> eSATA. The product I linked is for USB -> SATA (to connect the internal drive), but not USB -> eSATA (to connect an external drive).

    Does anyone have some recommendations for a eSATA -> USB adapter?
     
  9. Nov 18, 2007 #409 of 10248
    jerryv

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    The cable specs for the USB to SATA cable say it supports "SATA II GenI " mass storage devises, if that helps.
     
  10. Nov 18, 2007 #410 of 10248
    jerryv

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    Yes, the cable fits my internal Tivo drive, but not the external WD drive.

    Is there any solution that I can use right now, short of getting a new cable? My Tivo box is open and the drive is out, if possible I'd like to finish this now.

    thx.
     
  11. Nov 18, 2007 #411 of 10248
    jlib

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    The solution is to get power to the drive somehow. Does your enclosure use cables to connect to the internal drive or does the drive sort of plug directly into a circuit board? If the former then just use the enclosure's internal power cable to the drive and then substitute the USB-to-SATA cable for the enclosure's internal SATA cable to the drive.
     
  12. Nov 18, 2007 #412 of 10248
    kingmob

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    No one may know the answer to this yet, but ...

    FAQ #3 says that the plug and play expansion won't work with a previously upgraded internal drive. Currently I have a stock TiVo HD. Let's say I got the MyDVR Expander and attached it now. Later I decide to upgrade the internal drive and do so by copying the stock drive to a larger disk. Will the external drive still work?
     
  13. Nov 18, 2007 #413 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Unless you disassemble your eSATA drive (which I do not recommend), you are going to need an SATA to eSATA cable.

    The SIIG CB-SA0311-S1 SATA to eSATA cable can ordered for $12 from ProVantage.com, $8 from Buy.com, or $10 from TheNerds.net. The PPA Intl. cable from Newegg.com is also confirmed to work.

    I wrote that particular FAQ question under the assumption that members would be building their own eSATA solutions and have access to the original bare drive, thereby eliminating the need for a SATA to eSATA cable. My apologizes for that oversight.

    I've updated the Part III, FAQ #10 to clarify that a SATA to eSATA cable is required for those using retail eSATA solutions.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2007 #414 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You can't do that with the current version of WinMFS, but you can do it with the MFSLive bootCD (more complicated). Hopefully, that capability will be added to a future version of WinMFS to simplify the process.

    Credit for this answer goes to spike2k5.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2007 #415 of 10248
    jerryv

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    "Turn off your computer and connect your internal SATA drive and the new external SATA drive. You can open your computer and connect both with SATA cables, or you can connect them both externally using a pair of SATA->USB adapters. If you are using a retail eSATA drive, you will also need a SATA -> eSATA cable such as the SIIG CB-SA0311-S1 (Buy.com, TheNerds.net, or ProVantage.com) or the PPA Int'l 3848 (Newegg.com)."

    So to clarify, the TIVO drive gets connected to my Vista machine via SATA to USB cable. But how is the WD drive connected? What is the function of the SATA to eSATA cable? What does the WD drive get connected to?
     
  16. Nov 19, 2007 #416 of 10248
    jerryv

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    So am I right, there is no external connection for the WD drive via USB? I have not been able to find a eSATA to USB cable.
     
  17. Nov 19, 2007 #417 of 10248
    dolfer

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    Does anyone know if Amazon will eventually offer My DVR Expander? I can't believe they don't have it! ;(

    I have a couple hundred bucks in credits and I'm dying to use them!
     
  18. Nov 19, 2007 #418 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Correct, there is nothing except an eSATA interface on the Western Digital My DVR Expander.

    You connect the eSATA drive internally using a SATA to eSATA cable. Or you connect it externally using a USB -> SATA adapter and SATA -> eSATA cable.
     
  19. Nov 20, 2007 #419 of 10248
    tmeek

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    Good luck expanding a Tivo HD with an external esata drive, which requires the WD My DVR model. They are not available on the WD website or on the Tivo web site or at any retail web site. The only retailer who partly claims to have them is Best Buy, but they are not available online and no store in Oregon (which I checked) has them. Good luck finding one.
     
  20. Nov 20, 2007 #420 of 10248
    fred22

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    I will suggest that Tivo (and partners) really messed up this introduction. First, they missed the Season Premiers by a month or so when people were hot to capture/store new shows and then when they do finally release the OFFICIAL device, they did not plan on their popularity. Good luck finding one soon.
     

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