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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 18, 2009 #4061 of 10248
    flatcurve

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    Hmm, I can't speak for winmfs, but those may not be compatible with the WD Diags. When I'm using the manufacturer's diagnostic tools, I usually opt for the DOS version loaded onto a bootable CD. It boots and runs faster, IME. For testing SATA drives, I use a SATA->IDE adapter and it works fine. If you've got SATA ports on your motherboard, those should work too. I've found that sata PCI cards and USB adapters never work with the DOS diagnostics though.
     
  2. Nov 18, 2009 #4062 of 10248
    dlfl

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    If your pc is windows you want to use the windows version of WD diagnostics. I ran the extended test using a USB-IDE-SATA adapter. (And did the WinMFS truncated backup and restore with it too.)
     
  3. Nov 18, 2009 #4063 of 10248
    flatcurve

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    the DOS version will work on any x86 based PC. As I said, in my experience it is faster than the windows utils. YMMV
     
  4. Nov 18, 2009 #4064 of 10248
    dlfl

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    I was just remembering MPSAN's statements in this post. Maybe this is incorrect but if true, it sounds like it might work where the DOS version might not see the drive if connected via a USB adapter. Also it wouldn't require booting from a CD. How much faster is the DOS version?
     
  5. Nov 18, 2009 #4065 of 10248
    flatcurve

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    Yes, it is correct, but I did point that out. However IME the DOS utils will work with onboard SATA ports, but not PCI cards. It probably varies from motherboard to motherboard. Speedwise, I can't really put a hard number on it. I just know that it boots faster (~30 seconds) and scans faster than running the windows diag utils on the same computer.
     
  6. Nov 18, 2009 #4066 of 10248
    lew

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    The DOS version makes sense if the user has a "test" computer that can be easily opened, has an available SATA port and the user has a long SATA cable and power cable. Makes a lot of sense if you, or your company, will be testing a lot of drives.

    The Windows version lets us use a USB-SATA adapter. Makes a lot of sense for those of us that need to test a drive every 3 or 4 years. Who are going to let an extended test run overnight.
     
  7. Nov 18, 2009 #4067 of 10248
    GrayeDog

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    Question: if I have only one SATA port, and one USB->SATA adapter, and I'm doing a full upgrde including recordings, which drive am I better off plugging in directly into a SATA port, and which drive am I better off plugging in the USB->SATA adapter (current vs. future) ? Or does it not make any difference either way? I'm sure it'll WORK either way, but if one way would make it reasonably faster, that'd be good to know.
     
  8. Nov 18, 2009 #4068 of 10248
    dlfl

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    I'm confused about comparing boot times. There is no boot time when using the Windows version -- it's just a windows program. :confused:
     
  9. Nov 18, 2009 #4069 of 10248
    flatcurve

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    If you're hot swapping drives, then boot time doesn't matter.
     
  10. Nov 18, 2009 #4070 of 10248
    drey

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    You can't hot swap SATA drives if they're set to IDE mode in BIOS. If you set drives to anything non-IDE, they won't be recognized by DOS-based tools.
     
  11. Nov 18, 2009 #4071 of 10248
    cuppingmaster

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    I previously upgraded my own TiVo HD with a July vintage of the WD _EVVS ("Caviar Green") and it's going well. No flaws.

    I tried a friend's with the same drive, but this time I didn't have access to a PC, only a Mac with VirtualBox and XP. I can confirm that VirtualBox does work, but you have to set up a USB device filter for each drive in the VM settings. After I did that, restarted the VM with the external drives off, then turned them on once I was booted into the VM, I was finally able to see the drives in WinMFS.

    It's likely a lot slower, however. I started it around 1AM and it finished around 4PM. But it works!
     
  12. Nov 18, 2009 #4072 of 10248
    wgw

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    I think I would connect the source drive to the USB and the destination to the SATA.
     
  13. Nov 18, 2009 #4073 of 10248
    wgw

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    I get this on both my S3's regularly. The drives are fine. To correct the problem, I just do a hard boot (pull the plug). If I remember to hard boot once every week or two I never have a problem. When I let it go too long it starts pixelating. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 hard boots before the pixelation stops.
     
  14. Nov 18, 2009 #4074 of 10248
    moscovitzd

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    Just so folks are aware I'm seeing the soft reboot problem using WD15EVDS drives in Tivo HDs (TCD652160). I have two new Tivo HD units and purchased two WD15EVDS drives to install in them internally. I removed the internal 160GB drives, used WinMFS to do a MFSCopy, limited the partition to 1 TB, reinstalled the WD15EVDS internally. They boot up but when I try to restart from the Tivo menu it gets stuck on the Welcome Powering Up screen. I'm open to any suggestions you all might recommend. I was trying to get the elusive 1.26 TB of space.

    From the drives:
    S/N:WCAVU0299978 and WCAVU0301427
    MDL: WD15EVDS-63V9B0
    DATE: 04 OCT 2009
    DCM: HHNCHT2CHB and HHNCNT2CAB
    WWN: 50014EE258CB0B29 and 50014EE2AE20A84E
    Product of Thailand
     
  15. Nov 18, 2009 #4075 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    The DOS version can work, but if the MoBo SATA controller (ICH10R or older) is being used, the DOS may not even see the drive. Also, if a USB adapter is being used, again, DOS may not know what USB is. I know my MoBo with ICH10R needed the WIN version and it ran fast, too.

    Dave
     
  16. Nov 18, 2009 #4076 of 10248
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    thanks for everyone's input. considering i really don't want to be without my tivo for any length of time, i may order an EVDS so i have something to go with in case any troubleshooting doesn't succeed.

    I see one post above mention problems with EVDS... i'd go with the 1TB, as i don't want to push my luck. are they still safe, or have others started reporting problems?
     
  17. Nov 18, 2009 #4077 of 10248
    dlfl

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    Check the chart in the first post and do a search in this thread for "evds".
     
  18. Nov 18, 2009 #4078 of 10248
    CraigK

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    I've recently used WD10EVDS drives in two TiVo HDs after the first attempt using one of the new EVVS drives failed.

    Both of the WD10EVDS drives had a date of 01 AUG 2009 and were purchased from Amazon about a month apart (one in October and one a couple of weeks ago).

    No problems so far.
     
  19. Nov 19, 2009 #4079 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Unfortunately, this appears to be an issue with the latest versions of the WD15EVDS (doesn't affect WD10EVDS). That's why I removed that drive from the first post last month.

    You must either live with the "soft reboot" problem or switch to the [noisier] Seagate ST31500541AS or ST315005N4A1AS. I have no experience with this drive so I can't speak to its long-term reliability.
     
  20. Nov 19, 2009 #4080 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'm glad you've been able to get things back on track using a hard reboot. But what you're experiencing is not normal. Pixelization and audio issues aren't normal and there's no reason anyone should have to repeatedly do a hard reboot to keep TiVo working properly.

    The OP's problems could very well be a hard drive issue or it may be something else. Whatever the case it should be diagnosed.
     

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