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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 31, 2009 #3921 of 10248
    jonra

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    Is there a way to copy my factory Tivo HD drive & my 500gb mydvr expander drive settings & shows to a new 1 or 1.5 tb drive so I can upgrade my Tivo Hd? This way I can get rid of my dvr expander, run quieter, cooler with lower power...
     
  2. Oct 31, 2009 #3922 of 10248
    bicker

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    The way I handled that is I used TTG to transfer all my recordings to my desktop computer, then transferred them back onto my new hard drive. It works for all unprotected recordings.
     
  3. Oct 31, 2009 #3923 of 10248
    JasonRossSmith

    JasonRossSmith The New Guy (sort of

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    Rich, Ajay, Jlib thanks for the advice and suggestions!!!

    MPSAN, I called Fry's and they told me on the phone that the "$59.99 Major Brand Name" drive was actually a WD10EVDS so I bought one. For that price I'll just hold on to my Best Buy credit and use it some other time, especially since that is a recomended drive.

    When I got my order confirmation however it turns out it is really a WD10EADS like you said had been reported.

    In the drive recomendation section of this it states that the WD10EADS was removed because they won't work with the Series 3, but will work with the Tivo HD. Since I have a Tivo HD (TCD652160) I should be fine right?

    Jason
     
  4. Oct 31, 2009 #3924 of 10248
    dlfl

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    wd10eads working fine for me and a lot of other HD's -- until WD makes some mysterious change like they did for the wd10evvs.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2009 #3925 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Im pretty sure winmfs will handle that for you. Go check out their site and support forum, talk to spike.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2009 #3926 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately combining drives is not supported by winMFS. There are no programs that will combine an eSATA drive and internal drive if the eSATA drive was connected via plug and play (as you would normally do w/My DVR Expanders). If an eSATA drive was added manually you can use MFStools to combine the drives.

    More info can be found on the forum at the author's web site, www.mfslive.org.

    Following bicker's advice about transferring recordings (that aren't copy protected) to a computer or another TiVo and then back is probably your best bet.
     
  7. Oct 31, 2009 #3927 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    YES, as I, too, have the TiVoHD and that is the drive I put in. It has been working just fine for several Months now and it is silent. I did, however, adjust the AAM.
     
  8. Oct 31, 2009 #3928 of 10248
    jonra

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    Thanks,
    Rich, Bicker, & everyone. I wish i had just updated to a larger drive in the first place rather than setting up the mydvr expander. A lot of my recordings are on my second TIVO, so I guess I'll copy that drive to a new larger drive & get rid of the dvr expander & update that tivo to a fresh new 1 TB drive.
     
  9. Oct 31, 2009 #3929 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's a good plan. IIRC some others here did the same thing...maybe MSPAN? Upgraded one TiVo, keeping all of the recordings, then moved the recordings off of another TiVo to that one, upgraded the other TiVo and then moved the transferred recordings back again. Phew!

    Anyway, happy upgrading!
     
  10. Nov 1, 2009 #3930 of 10248
    eaayoung

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    So, I've order a new WD drive for my S3 from Buy.com. I could complete the upgrade via a Mac or Windows 7 PC but prefer to use the Windows 7 PC.

    Has anyone tried this with Windows 7?
     
  11. Nov 1, 2009 #3931 of 10248
    dswallow

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    I did mine running WinMFS under Windows 7; just be sure to run WinMFS as an administrator otherwise it won't see any drives. Otherwise it works fine.
     
  12. Nov 1, 2009 #3932 of 10248
    eaayoung

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    Thanks.

    Should have the drive by the weekend.
     
  13. Nov 1, 2009 #3933 of 10248
    eaayoung

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    Thanks.

    Should have the new drive by next weekend.
     
  14. Nov 1, 2009 #3934 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    I upgraded 1 of my TiVo HD's to 1TB and did a copy from the original 160GB to the 1TB. All setting and shows were fine, but I did not have an expander.

    Another thing that I did do was use this now "spare" 160GB drive to fix a non upgraded TiVoHD in another room. I did a truncated copy from the "bad" drive, to this spare drive and this spare drive is now running just fine. I plan on writing all zeros to the bad drive, and then do a copy from the spare drive that is now running. I want to see if the "bad" drive can be fixed. I did several full drive scans on the "bad" drive and it tests OK.
     
  15. Nov 2, 2009 #3935 of 10248
    tomlavelle

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    FYI, I replaced the EVVS with an EVDS, works great. I bought another WD10EVDS to replace the failing 750GB Seagate DB35 in my original Series3.
     
  16. Nov 2, 2009 #3936 of 10248
    jasonander

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    I replaced the WD10EVVS with the WD10EVDS in my TivoHD, and no longer have the warm reboot problem.

    I also used WinMFS with my recently upgraded Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit computer, copying from the EVVS to the EVDS, and had no problems.

    I'll be returning the EVVS drive soon.
     
  17. Nov 2, 2009 #3937 of 10248
    tivoupgrade

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    This is interesting.

    I don't read this thread very often, but someone just pointed it out to me. I've tried to look back and see how long these issues have been occurring, so I'm sorry if I've missed something.

    Is it just you that is having problems with the EVVS or does it appear that many are seeing this?

    AFAIK, the TiVo HD XL uses the EVVS drive, and up until recently, we've been using the EVVS drives for many of our 1TB upgrades with no issues.

    The thought that WD may be modding their firmware, and having issues as a result, is not necessarily unfounded. We've noticed that some models of WD drives that previously worked in certain older TiVo models recently stopped working with newer shipments. The only explanation we can come up with for that is changes in the firmware, which appear to be unannounced / undocumented.

    I'm very curious about this and would like any more information you or anyone else can provide.

    Lou
     
  18. Nov 2, 2009 #3938 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    It started with drives with a Sept manufacture date. Search this thread for WD10EVVS and begin with the October hits. Several people have posted their detailed drive info.
     
  19. Nov 2, 2009 #3939 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Lou, good to hear from you.

    In a nutshell it appears that WD changed something (likely firmware?) in the WD10EVVS effective with their September 20th manufacture date for drives built in Thailand . Those that installed drives with a prior manufacture date aren't experiencing any problems. Post 09/20/09 however the drives generally do not boot up at all in Series3's and TiVo HD's, sticking at the Welcome! screen.

    AFAIK the issue above (soft reboot failure) in a TiVo HD is the first of its kind.

    The drives in question had various DCM codes, etc. but all had the 09/20/09 manufacture date. Quite a few people were very helpful with posting all of their drive's details. You can scroll back through the thread to find them.

    We were aware that TiVo was using the WD10EVVS as well and surprised that something changed. I don't know if you remember when something similar happened with the WD10EADS. It worked fine when it was first introduced a few years ago but about 90 days after introduction they began exhibiting the soft reboot issue in Series3's. Since then they're only recommended for TiVo HD's.

    I and several others here contacted WD to see if they'd shed any light on the subject. A CSR named "Pablo" (or some variation) replied to a few e-mails with some generalities and vague reasoning (none of which was drive specific) , but after that the replies stopped. Perhaps you can get them to cough up some info?

    In any case, the first post now recommends that the WD10EVVS be avoided completely. The drive of choice is either the WD10EVDS or Seagate's ST31000322CS, both of which work in all of the hi-def TiVo's.

    Hope that helps.

    EDIT: Noted that tomlavelle had problems with a WD10EVVS w/manufacture date of 09/19/09 as well. (Perhaps his was built at 11:59 p.m.?)
     
  20. Nov 2, 2009 #3940 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If you recently purchased a batch of WD10EVVS drives with a manufacture date of Sept 20 or later in Thailand, then you'll want to return it. As Rich indicates above, those drives are not compatible with either high-definition TiVo.

    The new drive of choice is the WD10EVDS. The Seagate ST31000322CS works just as well, but it produces slightly more noise.
     

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