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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 22, 2009 #3881 of 10248
    roytwo

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    Got my S3 working great with the Seagate Pipeline, but has any one had issues with noise?
    Mine seems a bit noisy
     
  2. Oct 22, 2009 #3882 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Which Seagate Pipeline did you get?

    There are several models, and some are louder than others. For example, the ST31000533CS makes noticeably more noise than the ST31000322CS.

    The ST31000322CS is a little louder than the WD10EVDS/WD10EVVS. Unfortunately, one can no longer be certain that they'll receive a WD10EVVS that actually works in a TiVo.
     
  3. Oct 22, 2009 #3883 of 10248
    roytwo

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    Mine is the ST31000322CS. I can hear it working, never could hear the original one. Doesn't seem like a death rattle type of noise but noticeably louder.

    Have one of the WD10EVVS it was quiet, but of course never got pass the power up screen....lol
     
  4. Oct 22, 2009 #3884 of 10248
    CraigK

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    A Seagate ST31000322CS arrived on my doorstep this afternoon. From the time I opened the box to the time my wife's TiVo HD was powering up with the new drive inside was under half an hour. I only had to do a truncated backup since I had moved all the programs she wanted to save to my TiVo and now am moving them back.

    Other than the hiccup with the EVVS drive the conversion of our two TiVo HD's to 1TB each using WinMFS went very smoothly. Thanks again to everyone in this thread and especially bkdtv for the excellent instructions. :up:
     
  5. Oct 23, 2009 #3885 of 10248
    wgw

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    My WD15EVDS is working with a hard boot now. My fault the hard boot did not work before. It still won't soft boot consistantly though. Other than the soft boot issue, it appears to be functioning normally. Capacity says 178 HD hours. It was 143 HD hours with the WD10EACS.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2009 #3886 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Did you not do MfsSupersize? IIRC, you should have 198 HD hours with a 1.5TB drive on a TivoHD when MfsSupersize is used.
     
  7. Oct 23, 2009 #3887 of 10248
    wgw

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    Thanks bkdtv, with mfssupersize, it's now reporting 196 hours.
     
  8. Oct 24, 2009 #3888 of 10248
    jasonander

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    Wanted to report back here about my upgrade experience for my 2 Tivos. I upgraded my Tivo HD a few weeks ago with the WD10EVVS and didn't experience the problems when other folks were having with it hanging on startup. However I saw people were having problems with it having at the Powering up screen from a warm reboot. I just tried to reboot my Tivo HD from the menu and mine is having the same problem, hanging on Powering Up, and the fans are spinning loudly.
    To repeat, here's the drive info:
    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: HANCNV2MAB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    Yesterday I upgraded my 2nd Tivo, which is an S3, with the WD10EVDS. So far no problems, and warm reboot works fine.

    Would people recommend I just return the WD10EVVS drive to Amazon and order a WD10EVDS to replace it? It seems like having the warm reboot issue could cause problems whenever Tivo pushes out a new version. I've never returned anything to Amazon before so not sure if it's worth the hassle.
     
  9. Oct 24, 2009 #3889 of 10248
    opus123

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    Just upgraded 2 Tivo HD's with WD10EVVS's (made prior to Sept 20).
    I'm a mac guy, and had to borrow a PC to accomplish (using Win XP).

    Both seem to be successful, but I noticed an anti-virus scan occur during the 2nd upgrade. I cancelled the scan prior to completion, but it was about 70% through by the time i noticed (long copy time as I was copying shows as well). Didn't know enough to disable beforehand.

    Tivos are working fine from power-up so far, but given the virus scan... should I expect trouble when soft-booting?
     
  10. Oct 24, 2009 #3890 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    I had the same soft reboot problem with my WD10EVVS in my TivoHD (otherwise worked fine), and I just replaced it with a WD10EVDS this morning. It works fine after a soft reboot and seems to be in perfect working order in all other respects as well! I've already RMA'd the WD10EVVS with Amazon and plan to send it back on Monday. I just hope they give me my money back, because unless they put it in a Tivo and try to soft-reboot it I doubt they'll see anything wrong with it.
     
  11. Oct 24, 2009 #3891 of 10248
    richsadams

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    AFAIK these are the first instances of a soft reboot problem with the WD10EVVS for a TiVo HD or a Series3...surprising but good to know. That they function after a hard reboot but not a soft reboot still indicates a production change of some sort IMO so it's still a good idea to stay away from the WD10EVVS, likely from this point on.

    I doubt Amazon does any testing at all and simply returns them for credit or wholesales them off. As long as you indicate that the drive simply didn't work you should receive a full refund.
     
  12. Oct 24, 2009 #3892 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Did you try a menu restart (soft reboot)? If so, did it work? A virus scan can corrupt data transfer, but the soft reboot issue is drive specific.

    Generally the upgrade will either work or it won't so if everything is working normally (including a soft and hard reboot) I wouldn't worry about it going forward. If you do run into a soft reboot problem, it would most certainly be a drive issue, nothing to do with the virus scan.
     
  13. Oct 24, 2009 #3893 of 10248
    opus123

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    just finished forcing tivo service connection, then a soft-reboot.
    all is well, and functioning properly. thanks!

    also, my sincere thanks to the OP for providing such great direction on how to self-upgrade. a HUGE help.

    hoping this incarnation of tivo will serve me well for years to come
     
  14. Oct 24, 2009 #3894 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats and enjoy! :up:
     
  15. Oct 24, 2009 #3895 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    Good to know--if for some reason they don't give me a refund (or only give a partial refund), I'll post back.
     
  16. Oct 24, 2009 #3896 of 10248
    eaayoung

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    So, is the EVDS the way to go with the WD drives? Sounds like its a quieter drive compared to the Seagate.

    About ready to pull the trigger since I'm convinced my Cisco Tuning Adapter doesn't like the expander drive.

    Still getting freeze and reboot on occassions.
     
  17. Oct 25, 2009 #3897 of 10248
    cr33p

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    Does anyone have any technical knowledge of the WD10EAVS model? I recently RMA'd a wd10EADS HDD with WD and they are all out of stock to send me a replacement, so I had them send out the EAVS model, I cant barely find any info on this drive, I think it was an early version of the 1tb green family since it is only sporting 16mb cache. So far though it is performing perfectly in my newly purchased 69.00 dollar S3 from ebay :)
     
  18. Oct 26, 2009 #3898 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The WD10EAVS has recently been used in the Fantom 1TB Green" external hard drives. IIRC the AAM is not set to 128 so it may be a little louder than necessary but it can be adjusted. (More in the first post.)

    Have you tried a menu restart (soft reboot)? IIRC there were reports that it exhibited the soft reboot issue in Series3's (hangs on the "Welcome...almost there" screen); the reason it's not on the recommended drive list. Can you let us know if yours has that issue or not? TIA.
     
  19. Oct 26, 2009 #3899 of 10248
    drey

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    Interesting. I have WD20EVDS (should be similar as your WD15EVDS, except for capacity) and don't have a soft boot problem on my S3. How did you prepare your drive?
     
  20. Oct 26, 2009 #3900 of 10248
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