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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 18, 2009 #3841 of 10248
    tomlavelle

    tomlavelle New Member

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    I ordered a WD10EVVS from buy.com last week; arrived Wednesday, I just tried to upgrade today Saturday. No joy - Tivo boots to the rainbow 'powering up' screen but never gets past that. I hear the drive spin up and the heads move a little when I put the power to the Tivo but after that it's pretty quiet.

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 19 SEP 2009
    DCM: DANCHV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    Note that the first five characters of the DCM are different than MitchV's, which was sourced from buy.com at about the same time.

    I used WinMFS, flipped supersize on. MFSCopy from original 250GB disk to this 1TB disk took a couple hours, WinMFS reported that everything went fine.

    I did not turn OneCare anti-virus off.

    I have not jumpered the drive in any way.

    Any ideas?!? I'm frustrated because I've upgraded Series3 Tivos in the past without issue, my primary Tivo has a failing (Seagate 750GB) disk and I need to get this newly acquired Series3 working ASAP.

    Thanks,
    Tom
     
  2. Oct 18, 2009 #3842 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Try a truncated backup and restore -- rather than mfscopy -- from Windows safe mode (i.e. without antivirus).

    If that doesn't work, then it sounds like you got one of the new WD10EVVS drives that just isn't compatible. Keep us posted on how it goes.

    Here some alternatives:

    Seagate ST31000322CS @ Provantage.com
    Seagate ST31000322CS @ TheNerds.net
    Seagate ST31000322CS @ PC Connection
    Seagate ST31000322CS @ Amazon.com

    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ Amazon
    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ Buy.com
    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ TheNerds.net
    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ CDW
     
  3. Oct 18, 2009 #3843 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    It appears I have a drive like hearncl's (DCM beginning w/"D") and it also worked in my TivoHD. I ordered it on Sept. 30 from Amazon. I just opened the case and pulled the information listed on my drive:

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DARCNV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    As I was composing this message I was allowing the Tivo power back up and decided to try and do a Kickstart 54, but it got stuck in "Powering Up" mode. I unplugged the power cord, plugged it back in, and this time got to the "Just a Few Minutes More Screen." But now it just transitioned to a GSOD, the same one that is triggered by a Kickstart 57. I don't get it...all I did was pull the case off and put it back on!

    UPDATE: The Tivo stayed on the GSOD for about an hour and restarted, freezing on the "Powering Up" screen. After about 15 minutes I unplugged it and plugged it back in and it booted up normally. But now I'm worried about the drive--seems there may be a problem with sectors or something. Should I run Kickstart 54 overnight and see if it fails any tests? If so, should I RMA it and get a drive from the approved list?
     
  4. Oct 18, 2009 #3844 of 10248
    jlib

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    If you reboot it multiple times does it consistently come up properly now.?
     
  5. Oct 18, 2009 #3845 of 10248
    moscovitzd

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    Hi WGW.... I'm interested in getting a few WD15EVDS drives for my Tivo HDs. Can you please let me know how it works for you?

    Thanks,
    Dave
     
  6. Oct 18, 2009 #3846 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    Thanks for the suggestion...it has been working since I unplugged it and plugged it back in about two-and-a-half hours ago. My wife is watching Netflix now so there's no telling when I'll have a chance to reboot it again (she was already peeved that it wasn't working when she got up)! I will run the full SMART test overnight and see if it passes all the tests and post back with the results.
     
  7. Oct 19, 2009 #3847 of 10248
    tomlavelle

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  8. Oct 19, 2009 #3848 of 10248
    richsadams

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  9. Oct 19, 2009 #3849 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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  10. Oct 19, 2009 #3850 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for keeping us updated. :up:

    Now that's interesting - on two counts. That the drive actually worked (w/manufacture date of Sep 20, 2009) and AFAIK it's the first soft reboot problem anyone has posted for the WD10EVVS. Here's bowlingblogger's drive specs:

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DARCNV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    Anyone else run into the soft reboot problem with their WD10EVVS?

    As mentioned earlier it appears that this is a repeat of the WD10EADS which initially worked with Series3's and TiVo HD's, but due to an unknown production change suddenly exhibited the soft reboot issue in Series3's. :confused:

    Staying away from the WD10EVVS is certainly wise advice at this time (maybe forever). The WD10EVDS should do well going forward. Hopefully WD will leave well enough alone!

    Oh, and for those playing along, I never did hear back from WD after I asked them for some more information after their second e-mail revealed nothing. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Oct 19, 2009 #3851 of 10248
    wgw

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    You bet. Drive will arrive tomorrow. But my diagnostic computer is so old it will take at least 24 hours to do an extended read test followed by a full write test. I always do complete diags on new drives before using them. I also might have to wait until late Friday night before I can pull the 1TB drive out of my Tivo and do the transfer. Will report results ASAP though.
     
  12. Oct 19, 2009 #3852 of 10248
    DaveL1981

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    Just put a WD10EVDS in my Australian TiVo and ran the supersize option.

    Now my TiVo reports a recording capacity of "up to 218 hours of HD".

    Does anyone know why it would be 218 rather than 157 hours like most people get?
     
  13. Oct 19, 2009 #3853 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    TiVo evidently uses a different calculation to estimate capacity on the Australian DVRs. That would make sense if Australian broadcasters typically use lower bitrates for their HD.
     
  14. Oct 19, 2009 #3854 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    Hmm, I don't like being unique here in the hardware world! I initially thought that I did something when I pulled the case off to get the drive info to post in this thread, but now I'm thinking that it had the problem from the beginning and I just didn't notice it (I don't remember restarting from the menu since I installed it). I'm really glad I pulled the case off, because otherwise I might not have figured this out until it was too late to RMA it. The WD10EVVS passed all of the SMART tests I ran overnight, but I've already ordered the WD10EVDS, so we'll see how that goes. When I get it I'll run a full diagnostic. wgw (or anyone else who's done this), is WD Lifeguard the best way to go about this?
     
  15. Oct 19, 2009 #3855 of 10248
    dswallow

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    Assuming you did use the Australian version of WinMFS I guess what it reports is correct... as mentioned, different tyical bitrates and/or resolutions used in the calculation probably factors in here.

    And apparently 1440x1080 is more typical for 1080i broadcasts in Autralia, so 1920/1440*157 = 209... pretty close to your 218.
     
  16. Oct 20, 2009 #3856 of 10248
    CraigK

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    I still have to upgrade my wife's TiVo HD. I think I'll use a Seagate ST31000322CS this time. It would be just my luck that WD would decide to do a change on the EVDS like they did on the EVVS and I'd get one of the first new drives. :)
     
  17. Oct 20, 2009 #3857 of 10248
    lew

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    We don't know if WD changed something that makes current drives incompatible with tivo or if we're just looking at a bad bunch of drives.

    I wonder if WD is putting the drives into some kind of power saving mode which tivo doesn't recognize. If true the issue may occur with other WD green drives.
     
  18. Oct 20, 2009 #3858 of 10248
    KevinG

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    Just a point of reference:

    I purchased (from ebay) one of these:

    FILEMATE 3.5" USB 2.0 eSATA External SATA HDD Enclosure

    http://cgi.ebay.com/FILEMATE-3-5-US...ge_Internal?hash=item3ca5269a7e#ht_5157wt_940

    (although I paid $23.99)

    It arrived yesterday, I dropped an old unused WD 500 gig drive in, and plugged it into my Series 3.

    The included eSata cable works fine, and all is well. I'll likely order another one for my other series 3.
     
  19. Oct 20, 2009 #3859 of 10248
    CraigK

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    That's true. Pablo hasn't been very forthcoming.
     
  20. Oct 20, 2009 #3860 of 10248
    hearncl

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    Does restarting from the TiVo menus count as a soft reboot? As I posted earlier (post #3735), my Sept. 20 WD10EVVS worked fine in a TiVo HD. It had not been restarted since then, so I just tried restarting from the menu. It booted up as before.

    I also needed to upgrade a Series 3, and given the problems with some WD10EVVS's, I used the Seagate ST31000322CS. It worked fine in the Series 3.
     

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