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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 12, 2009 #3781 of 10306
    Carlthulhu

    Carlthulhu New Member

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    Has anyone tried the 1.5TB Western Digital WD15EVDS?

    It's available from provantage for $130.70. I'd add a link, but I'm still a newbie who can't post links here.

    I'd like to replace the drive in my TivoHD with one. Will it work?

    I realize it won't use the entire 1.5TB, but it should expand to 1.26 TB usable, right?

    Thanks,

    Carl
     
  2. Oct 12, 2009 #3782 of 10306
    drhankz

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    I don't know the specifics of the drive to know if it is compatible
    with the TiVo system.

    But I couldn't help but jump in and say - I think ANY 1.5TB drive
    in a TiVo is a waste of money since you don't get all the 0.5TB
    extra over the much lower costs 1TB drives. I upgradesd my TiVo
    day one to 1TB. I have never come close to running out of space.
    157 Hours is a lot of TV recording space. If you record things and
    NEVER watch them - sure - Load up.

    I use it for time shifting so I can watch what I want to watch on
    my schedule. I watch a program and erase it. I doubt that I have
    ever hit even 25% to 30%.

    Just my two cent opinion - save the money.
     
  3. Oct 12, 2009 #3783 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hi Carl. Per Section IV, #30 of the Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ:

    I'm w/drhankz, 1TB has been plenty for us as well. I've gotten close to full a few times but easily rectified that by dumping some of the stuff I'll never end up watching anyway. Unless you really want to archive recordings, that little bit extra is a little bit costly (to the tune of an extra $50 or so for another .26GB as compared to a 1TB WD10EADS or something similar).

    Happy upgrading!
     
  4. Oct 12, 2009 #3784 of 10306
    CraigK

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    Well I'm disappointed. I barely got anywhere with my TiVo HD upgrade.

    I was planning on doing the TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings Only option. I had my original TiVo drive hooked up to the SATA cable in my computer and when I ran WinMFS everything looked okay. WinMFS saw my TiVo drive (WD1600AVBS-63SVAO ATA), but when I tried to select the TiVo drive I got an error box...

    GUI Tools To Backup Hard Drives Has Encountered A Problem and Needs to Close. We are Sorry for the Inconvenience. Send Error Report/Don't Send

    I've spent a couple of hours trying different things out, like running in Safe Mode, downloading WinMFS again, but always get the error.

    I'm expecting a SATA->USB cable to arrive tomorrow and maybe doing it that way will make a difference.

    I have to put a jumper on newer hard drives in my computer to enable 1.5GB transfer rate since my computer is about four years old and doesn't support 3.0GB. I had a jumper on the TiVo drive (pins 5-6). Didn't try it without the jumper. I wouldn't expect the drive to work at all without the jumper

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
     
  5. Oct 12, 2009 #3785 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...that is frustrating. It might be the SATA connection so the new adapter may resolve things.

    But AFAIK, no one has had to use any jumpers on TiVo drives at all. WinMFS works outside of the normal Windows environment when it comes to dealing with the hard drives so maybe neither need jumpers? Hmmm...

    Best of luck!
     
  6. Oct 12, 2009 #3786 of 10306
    CraigK

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    I figured I'd only have to use the jumper on the TiVo drive and the new 1TB drive while hooked to my computer. I'd remove them when installing inside the TiVo. I'll try it without a jumper, but don't think that will do it. The drives in my computer are now a Seagate 500GB (C) and a 1TB (D). They both require a jumper to work. I had the TiVo drive hooked up to the cable the D: drive normally uses.

    Thanks.

    edit: WinMFS doesn't even recognize the TiVo drive without the jumper in. I'm going to put my TiVo back together and wait for the USB cable and see if that works. I'll keep you posted here.
     
  7. Oct 12, 2009 #3787 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Sounds good. You may have to bribe a friend to use a newer computer I suppose...kind of a PIA, but worth it in the end. Hopefully the new adapter will do the trick.
     
  8. Oct 13, 2009 #3788 of 10306
    stuck23235

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    I do not have an external drive. I think there are 3 possible causes. The 1TB drive, the HD Tivo, or the FiOS M card. Can a cable card cause the Tivo to restart? It does have to reacquire channels after restarting.

    I did not think to test the 1 TB drive because it was brand new. I was more worried about the Tivo because it was a refurb, but I figured it had a brand new drive. It sounds like most Tivo problems are the drive so I was not too worried about the Tivo.
     
  9. Oct 13, 2009 #3789 of 10306
    richsadams

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    I hope your new adapter works, but the more I think about it the more I think that your computer may not be able to do the job. I don't think things are going to go well with jumpers on either drive. Jumpers cause changes to the drive's output so your computer can read it and they will also likely cause input changes; how the drive handles incoming data. So my WAG is that the jumpers won't allow winMFS to correctly read your TiVo drive and as far as making a copy, jumpers on either or both drives are going to be a problem. You may have to seek out another computer for your upgrade. My two cents...hope I'm wrong. ;)
     
  10. Oct 13, 2009 #3790 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Yes, a problematic signal can cause TiVo to reboot but AFAIK no one has complained about a VZ FIOS cable card. The drive could be the problem, but w/o diagnostics it's hard to say. There could be a power issue with your TiVo causing it to reboot as well.

    Does TiVo work normally with the original drive reinstalled?
     
  11. Oct 13, 2009 #3791 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    If your TiVo has 11.0d, neither a FiOS CableCard or the FiOS signal would cause the TivoHD to reboot.

    The problem is likely with either your 1TB drive or the refurb hardware.

    Did you put the original drive back in to see if the issue continues?
     
  12. Oct 13, 2009 #3792 of 10306
    CraigK

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    When I get the SATA>USB adapter I'll see what happens. I don't think I'll need the jumpers with the adapter since the computer will be dealing with USB and not SATA like when I have the drive directly hooked up to the computer.

    If that doesn't work I'll try it on my wife's laptop with the new adapter.
     
  13. Oct 13, 2009 #3793 of 10306
    ajayabb

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    Well after having the 500GB WD My DVR Expander fail, I decided to take the advice of the folks on this forum, and remove the 500 GB Hard drive and use it to upgrade my Tivo HD. I bought the USB-Sata adapter installed WinMFS and upgraded my Tivo with my old 500GB drive, and everything is good. All within an hour
     
  14. Oct 13, 2009 #3794 of 10306
    andrews777

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    Arggh!

    I ordered the WD10EVVS last Friday (just before it was removed). :(

    Mine was manufactured on 19 Sept, a day earlier, but the timing sucks. I hoped to get this going before I wend out of town.

    Brad
     
  15. Oct 13, 2009 #3795 of 10306
    innocentfreak

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    Some people had luck with them. I think only 2 of us so far had problems. You should post the drive info and whether it works so we can see if there is a pattern.

    I also sent WD a support email this weekend but no response. Has anyone else heard back from them yet?
     
  16. Oct 13, 2009 #3796 of 10306
    CraigK

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    My USB>SATA adapter arrived today. It seemed to work fine. I had none of the trouble I had running WinMFS before. That's the good news.

    The truncated backup creation from my TiVo drive and restore/expand/supersize to the WD10EVVS seemed to go fine but I couldn't get past Welcome! Powering Up...

    Tried everything over again in Safe Mode and again couldn't get past Welcome! Powering Up...

    The Safe Mode Restore took significantly longer than the first try (5 min vs. 30 min), but otherwise seemed to go well. Both tbk backup files were the same size.

    I guess I'll try a different brand/model of hard drive. The WD10EVVS was removed from this thread's recommended drive list the same day mine arrived from Amazon. The best thing for me to do about that is to just laugh at the timing. [​IMG]
     
  17. Oct 13, 2009 #3797 of 10306
    innocentfreak

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    Can you also post the drive details so we can see if some type of pattern develops?

    For example
    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DHNCHV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168
     
  18. Oct 13, 2009 #3798 of 10306
    CraigK

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    I did in an earlier post, but here they are again.

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DHNCHV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    Very similar to your example. [​IMG]
     
  19. Oct 13, 2009 #3799 of 10306
    innocentfreak

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    Lol I didn't even realize I grabbed your post to use as an example.
     
  20. Oct 14, 2009 #3800 of 10306
    stuck23235

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    My Tivo does have 11.0d. I ensure it got 11.0d before I put in the 1TB drive.

    I put the original drive in yesterday and last night was the first night in about a week without a reboot. I will leave it in for a bit and let the drive fill up and check. If I don't see any reboots I will run a scan on the drive to see if the drive is bad.

    If this drive is bad, I hope WD will issue a credit toward a different type of drive because it sounds like the new ones are incompatible.
     

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