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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 13, 2007 #361 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    TiVo has an exclusive w/BB to sell the WD DVR Expander at retail. WD was selling it directly, but they've stopped doing that now. You could try contacting WD to see if they'll accommodate your request.

    It was on backorder from TiVo and BB right after it came out and then was back in stock within a few days.
     
  2. Nov 13, 2007 #362 of 10248
    danschn

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    Any guesses/rumors/inside info on when a 1 TB "officially supported" ESATA drive becomes available?
     
  3. Nov 13, 2007 #363 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I was told by WD that they would have such a product by this time next year.
     
  4. Nov 13, 2007 #364 of 10248
    pilotbob

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    I didn't see this answered in the FAQ. I have a TivoHD with the "verified" WD Expander 500Gb drive using the built-in 9.2 support.

    If I swap out the internal drive on the TivoHD will the built-in verified external drive still work? For example, I buy a drive from one of the internet Tivo upgrade drive sellers with the OS already on it. (Yes I know/assume the expander will have to be married to the new drive and I will loose all on it.)

    Or, if I use WinMFS to copy current internal drive to new internal drive... will then the external drive be married to it and still work?

    Thanks,
    BOb
     
  5. Nov 13, 2007 #365 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    As per FAQ #3, the plug and play eSATA drive expansion does not work if you upgrade the build-in drive on the TivoHD and Series3.

    You can still add an eSATA drive to an upgraded TiVo, but doing so requires the "hack" discussed in Part III, #10 of the FAQ.

    Once you've added an eSATA drive, there is no way to preserve recordings on that while upgrading the internal drive. If you want to upgrade the internal drive, you've got to disconnect the eSATA drive first.
     
  6. Nov 13, 2007 #366 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    Spike's guide here refers specifically to a WinMFS function that consolidates an internal+external drive to a single drive.


    Update:

    As of 11/15/07, Beta 6 version, this feature is not yet implemented.
     
  7. Nov 13, 2007 #367 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Edit:

    I just tried this with WinMFS and it doesn't work. WinMFS crashes as seen in the attached screenshot.
     

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  8. Nov 14, 2007 #368 of 10248
    fergie8

    fergie8 TiVoite via RCN

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    If you divorce an eSATA drive from your TiVo, can you re-marry that same drive to a different TiVo afterwards? I understand you wouldn't have access to the programming that was recorded on it while married to the first TiVo. But assuming you were willing to make that sacrifice, would that work? Or will the TiVo only marry to an eSATA drive that has never been married to a TiVo before?
     
  9. Nov 14, 2007 #369 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Of course.

    You can marry a drive to as many different TiVos as you want, just be aware that you will lose recordings when you move the drive from one TiVo to another.
     
  10. Nov 14, 2007 #370 of 10248
    pilotbob

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    Right, so if I use WinMFS to copy my current "A" drive which is already married to the verified eSate drive to a new "A" drive, then expand... will it still be married to my current "B" drive?

    Is this effectivly doing the "hack"?

    BOb
     
  11. Nov 14, 2007 #371 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    No. You must unmarry the eSATA drive (losing any recordings) before you can expand the internal drive.

    After you upgrade / expand the internal drive, you re-can remarry the eSATA drive.
     
  12. Nov 14, 2007 #372 of 10248
    c3

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    Are you sure about that? In the mfstools days, you can add drive B first and add expand drive A later.
     
  13. Nov 14, 2007 #373 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yep...as bkdtv points out, you can do whatever you want with your divorced drive...just watch out for the alimony payments. :D

    Each time an expansion drive is married to TiVo it formats the drive, effectively erasing anything that was on it anyway.
     
  14. Nov 14, 2007 #374 of 10248
    fergie8

    fergie8 TiVoite via RCN

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    At the moment, given the nagging cough from my TiVoHD, I'm a little more concerned about possibly ending up with a widowed drive rather than a divorced drive. :rolleyes:

    Thanks, that's the key piece of information I was looking for. I would have assumed such would be the case, however for safety reasons I generally try to avoid making assumptions.

    Cheers,
     
  15. Nov 14, 2007 #375 of 10248
    gwsat

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    Thanks a bunch! I was just checking the thread for an answer to that question and, Voila!, there it was. :)
     
  16. Nov 14, 2007 #376 of 10248
    jpierce237

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    Ok, I've found suppositions, general instructions, etc, but a blunt "Yes I made it work." was harder to find. For those looking to do this and wanting a 'for-sure' yep it works, here it is.

    What I did:
    Using the latest WinMFS
    - Connect the Tivo Drive as the 2nd Drive (your windows root drive is your first disk) in your pc

    - Connect your planned eSATA drive via eSATA, USB, or Firewire depending on what your box supports (I used the Antec MX-1 USB 2.0 & eSATA enclosure as it has a physical power switch and hard drive fan)

    - Run WinMFS, seclect your Tivo drive as drive A and your eSATA drive as drive B

    - Select mfsadd (A warning that you are about to write to your Tivo drive will appear, don't fear...step into the light)

    It happens quickly, from there reinstall the Tivo Drive and hook up your eSATA drive, making sure it's firmly plugged in.

    My Tivo didn't want to boot up properly right away, give it some time. I had to reboot it as it appeared to be stuck on the intermidable ....just a few more minutes screen. Once I rebooted it eventually became a grey screen, one push of the Tivo button and the welcome movie started....both drives were available and all was well with the world.

    I do, however, live in some fear of shutting the thing off again, time will tell if this will be a problem.

    Now if I could do something about that horribly noisey Seagate ST3500630AS drive I chose to install. If you're looking for a 500GB drive to install, look elsewhere, it's noisy pretty much all the time. I put the Antec as far back into my entertainment center cabinet as I could just to muffle the noise....it's just ok now.

    Hope this helps some poor soul looking for Tivo salvation. If someone wants to pick me apart for posting this, please remember that I at least took the time to report a success which may help someone else down the road.

    Jim
     
  17. Nov 14, 2007 #377 of 10248
    Z06_Pilot

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    hi folks,

    a couple of questions.

    I've been out of town for two weeks. when i got back, i now have 9.2a, which I assume is the "GA" version of 9.2j?

    so, I purchased two My Book 750GB WD drives(one for each of my S3's). i am using a 6' PNY eSATA cable.


    following the attachment instructions, when I power on my first S3 with the My Book attached, it continues to re-boot with the "please wait-powering up" message. This happens with both drives and with both eSATA cables.

    Is there a possbility that since I'm not using the "verified" Tivo 500GB mybook, that there is an incompatibility issue? I just don't see how that's possible. I assumed a My Book would work the same, regardless of storage size?

    Oh, my S3's are bone stock internally. It just seems to me this eSATA connectivity is not fully baked based on the issues I have read about.

    any thoughts would be appreciated.
     
  18. Nov 14, 2007 #378 of 10248
    fred22

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    Z06_Pilot:

    It could be the cables. Just because they came with the drives does not mean that they will work. Apparently, the most reliable are the SIIG cables mentioned in the first message.

    I am using a Seagate FAP and I manually trimmed some of the rubber off to expose more connector metal.
     
  19. Nov 14, 2007 #379 of 10248
    richsadams

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    You shouldn't have any problem connecting your expansion drives to your stock S3's via P&P. You should get a warning screen stating that the drive is not supported, but it should allow you to finish the installation.

    I take it your S3's boot up fine w/o the drives attached. Are you unplugging TiVo, connecting the eSATA drive, turning the eSATA drive on and then plugging TiVo back in? Do you hear the eSATA drives spin up when you turn them on?

    If all of that is true, my take on it, and this is just a WAG, is that there's a problem with the connection. It could be the eSATA cable or the actual connection point(s). Do you have snug connections on both ends? If so I think my next step would be to try another cable, perhaps one of the other recommended cables such as the SIIG CB-SA0111-S1. Everything may seem okay, but there are a number of reports of eSATA cables having problems in some shape or form.

    The odds of you having two bad drives and two bad cables are remote at best. There are numerous folks using all manner of expansion drives (including me) with the latest software, v9.2a. Ours (Seagate DB35 in an MX-1 enclosure) has been working flawlessly for over six months like most others. There are posts of some drives not playing nicely, but AFAIK there aren't any reports of problems with the WD My Book drives not working on unmodified S3's.
     
  20. Nov 14, 2007 #380 of 10248
    fred22

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    FAP750 with a trimmed cable. Just got the 92j.xxxx version updated last night (2am feeding).

    (with fingers still crossed) It is still working on my S3 as it has for months now. Today I watched shows recorded last night before the update (it was pending when I got home from work) and I allowed it to do its overnight restart. And it recorded the noon news and some other testing.
     

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